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I would like to remind everyone reading this that we're mainly talking about playing certain video games without paying for them.

hota_mazi 3y ago
My thought exactly. The freedom of individuals clearly stops at illegal acts.
- ftxbro 3y ago
  are you just saying this tautologically or is it a statement about civil disobedience or about your personal beliefs relating legality vs. morality
  - hota_mazi 3y ago
    Playing a game you haven't bought is illegal, there is no grey area here.
    - ddingus 3y ago
      "Here, take this I have played enough"
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - brokenmachine 3y ago
      What about playing a game that you have bought, but emulated on a different platform?
- porkbeer 3y ago
  Illegal acts are the source of most freedoms derived in our modern world. When a law is unjust, it is not only acceptable, but duty to ignore or even publicly trangress.
  - hota_mazi 3y ago
    Sure, but playing a game you haven't bought is clearly illegal, there is no grey area there.
    - bugglebeetle 3y ago
      The very tools that Nintendo is trying to take down with these DMCA requests can also be used to play games you bought on other platforms. Much of the Switch homebrew scene now is focused on making the emulators work well on platforms like the Steam Deck and PCs more generally because Nintendo’s hardware is so insanely dated that its first party games run better on other devices.
      - oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
        > Nintendo’s hardware is so insanely dated that its first party games run better on other devices. Of course, you could say exactly the same thing about Microsoft or Sony's hardware - the only difference is the Switch is more dated and its games run better on more devices.
        bugglebeetle 3y ago
        This is is certainly not true for Sony. Ports for PlayStation games to the PC are notorious for running horribly and often never get fixed.
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
No, we're talking about tools that can be used for piracy. There's a difference.
- gjsman-1000 3y ago
  But we are also taking about tools that are used for piracy >90% of the time. Which, dangerously, can place things in legal danger. There are legitimate uses for, say, nitroglycerin - but >90% of uses will be illegal and it’s illegal to possess for that reason. Same could be argued for being the approach of some countries to guns. Same in some states for car radar scanners. I think the emulator developers really do need to consider actually doing something to combat piracy in the long-term, or Nintendo may actually be successful banning it.
  - emodendroket 3y ago
    One could have said much the same about the iPod.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
      Or YouTube, if we're picking examples.
  - lisbon44 3y ago
    > But we are also taking about tools that are used for piracy >90% of the time. guessing guns manufactures should be liable given the mass shootings in certain trigger-happy places. > I think the emulator developers really do need to consider actually doing something to combat piracy in the long-term, surprised that nintendo has not attempted to get dolphin shutdown, with all past attempts of negotiation between third-party developers and big companies [e.g nintendo] have gotten nowhere what do you suggest?
    - UberFly 3y ago
      "guessing guns manufactures should be liable given the mass shootings in certain trigger-happy places" What? What an off-base analogy.
emodendroket 3y ago
They're not going to stop pursuing this long after the games are out of print, based on previous experience.
kcb 3y ago
Just want to play the games I own at better than 540p.
- jareklupinski 3y ago
  expanding: I played Metroid Dread on my Switch, and being a fan of the series, enjoyed it through the end. A while later I saw a streamer playing the game at 4X resolution, and was blown away at how much better the game looked. I watched them play the whole thing just to experience how good the game looks without jaggies everywhere. I wish my Nintendo Game License included a clause that allowed me to use an alternative rendering path for their game code. I already paid for the license; just let me run it on better hardware if I have the opportunity.
garrettjoecox 3y ago
Reposting from a thread down below, but how are you drawing this conclusion? I've never really understood the close tie between emulation and piracy. With the exception of the new switch emulators, most emulators are emulating gaming experiences that existed decade(s) ago. I don't know a single person who would download a gamecube emulator to pirate a game they've never played before, people use emulators to re-experience the games they played(and owned) a long time ago.

hota_mazi 3y ago

My thought exactly. The freedom of individuals clearly stops at illegal acts.

ftxbro 3y ago
are you just saying this tautologically or is it a statement about civil disobedience or about your personal beliefs relating legality vs. morality
- hota_mazi 3y ago
  Playing a game you haven't bought is illegal, there is no grey area here.
  - ddingus 3y ago
    "Here, take this I have played enough"
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - brokenmachine 3y ago
    What about playing a game that you have bought, but emulated on a different platform?
porkbeer 3y ago
Illegal acts are the source of most freedoms derived in our modern world. When a law is unjust, it is not only acceptable, but duty to ignore or even publicly trangress.
- hota_mazi 3y ago
  Sure, but playing a game you haven't bought is clearly illegal, there is no grey area there.
  - bugglebeetle 3y ago
    The very tools that Nintendo is trying to take down with these DMCA requests can also be used to play games you bought on other platforms. Much of the Switch homebrew scene now is focused on making the emulators work well on platforms like the Steam Deck and PCs more generally because Nintendo’s hardware is so insanely dated that its first party games run better on other devices.
    - oneeyedpigeon 3y ago
      > Nintendo’s hardware is so insanely dated that its first party games run better on other devices. Of course, you could say exactly the same thing about Microsoft or Sony's hardware - the only difference is the Switch is more dated and its games run better on more devices.
      - bugglebeetle 3y ago
        This is is certainly not true for Sony. Ports for PlayStation games to the PC are notorious for running horribly and often never get fixed.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

No, we're talking about tools that can be used for piracy. There's a difference.

gjsman-1000 3y ago
But we are also taking about tools that are used for piracy >90% of the time. Which, dangerously, can place things in legal danger. There are legitimate uses for, say, nitroglycerin - but >90% of uses will be illegal and it’s illegal to possess for that reason. Same could be argued for being the approach of some countries to guns. Same in some states for car radar scanners. I think the emulator developers really do need to consider actually doing something to combat piracy in the long-term, or Nintendo may actually be successful banning it.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  One could have said much the same about the iPod.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    Or YouTube, if we're picking examples.
- lisbon44 3y ago
  > But we are also taking about tools that are used for piracy >90% of the time. guessing guns manufactures should be liable given the mass shootings in certain trigger-happy places. > I think the emulator developers really do need to consider actually doing something to combat piracy in the long-term, surprised that nintendo has not attempted to get dolphin shutdown, with all past attempts of negotiation between third-party developers and big companies [e.g nintendo] have gotten nowhere what do you suggest?
  - UberFly 3y ago
    "guessing guns manufactures should be liable given the mass shootings in certain trigger-happy places" What? What an off-base analogy.

emodendroket 3y ago

They're not going to stop pursuing this long after the games are out of print, based on previous experience.

kcb 3y ago

Just want to play the games I own at better than 540p.

jareklupinski 3y ago
expanding: I played Metroid Dread on my Switch, and being a fan of the series, enjoyed it through the end. A while later I saw a streamer playing the game at 4X resolution, and was blown away at how much better the game looked. I watched them play the whole thing just to experience how good the game looks without jaggies everywhere. I wish my Nintendo Game License included a clause that allowed me to use an alternative rendering path for their game code. I already paid for the license; just let me run it on better hardware if I have the opportunity.

garrettjoecox 3y ago

Reposting from a thread down below, but how are you drawing this conclusion? I've never really understood the close tie between emulation and piracy. With the exception of the new switch emulators, most emulators are emulating gaming experiences that existed decade(s) ago. I don't know a single person who would download a gamecube emulator to pirate a game they've never played before, people use emulators to re-experience the games they played(and owned) a long time ago.