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Given the current state of common food I don't think I would agree that it's currently over-regulated.

• markdown 3y ago
  The opposite is true. Most Americans are eating food that isn't what the label says it is (eg. fish). This sort of scam is completely legal and the FDA allows it to happen. More regulation needed. Then you have dietary supplements which is a complete wild west. There's a 3 billion dollar kratom industry, for example. You can buy this dangerously addictive drug at your nearest 7-11 or gas station.
  • vinaypai 3y ago
    So how many people have been seriously harmed by this 3 billion dollar industry? I'm particularly interested to know how many people who weren't taking the drug but were harmed by someone who was?
    • porkbeer 3y ago
      Count the obese people you see, that is your answer.
      • 55555 3y ago
        Kratom users make other people obese? Now that’s a novel theory. (I think you misread the post you replied to.)
    • markdown 3y ago
      I don't have figures because nobody has done the studies. Like I said... Completely unregulated. R/quittingkratom has tens of thousands of members. So hundreds of thousands of people have had their lives seriously affected by it (every addict ruins multiple lives... Family and friends). That's to say nothing of the many dead from kratom.
      • vinaypai 3y ago
        If there are no studies and you're implying that kratom is a big problem, so what are you basing that on? There are many subreddits related to quitting various things. If that's your metric for “lives ruined" there are dozens of other things that have ruined dozens of times more lives.
        • markdown 3y ago
          I mean, if there are hundreds of thousands of posts from Americans talking about how it's ruined them, how the hell are you going to respond with "show me the studies"?
          • vinaypai 3y ago
            1. Most of the posts on they sub have nothing to do with people's lives being "ruined". 2. Yeah its may be unhealthy but people do all kinds of unhealthy things to themselves. 3. 35k subs on a subreddit that seen around 12 years is TINY. There's a sub about quitting porn that has over a million. 4. Even though you claim there are "no studies", here's a study from the WHO. Where they concluded that no action beyond "monitoring" was warranted based on current evidence. https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/kratom-mitragynine-7-hydroxymitragynine-critical-review-report https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/kratom-mitragynine-7...
            • markdown 3y ago
              Fully informed people doing unhealthy things to themselves by choice is fine. That’s not how the kratom industry operates though. Instead, they cover up the dangers of the drug with “it’s in the coffee family”, straight up hiding it in “herbal teas”, and even covering up entire operations behind “kava bars”. It’s all slow sleazy, with the goal of creating addicts before they even realize what they’re addicted to.
• orwin 3y ago
  The US baby food contains so much heavy metal, that's not even funny anymore. I wonder if they will legislate on that soon.