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Wait a minute. So you're saying it actually does matter whether you know something? You seem to be saying that because you've done a bunch of research about sc

Wait a minute. So you're saying it actually does matter whether you know something? You seem to be saying that because you've done a bunch of research about schools, you deserve a vote. And I should get a vote due to having kids in the system. But that leads to some interesting questions. You are happy to let people who have done neither have a vote, too? How does that make sense? What about people who have both? I read Gatto as well. I also know a bunch of stuff about different systems. Plus I went through education. But I get the same number of votes as you? There's also the interesting question, which is the core of politics, of who gets to decide stuff. If it comes down to knowledge and deliberate research, why don't we just let people who know stuff decide things for everyone? I think that path has some positives, but it has the fatal flaw that even a very knowledgeable person does not necessarily understand what it's like to be the the recipient of their decisions. Principal/Agent problem, for instance is one of the ways to think about this. It has some real issues, which one of the commentators mentioned regarding the civil service. The core of what I'm saying is that if we have skin in the game, we will end up learning the things we need, so you will have both. You won't be an expert in everything that you need to make decisions about, but you will have an incentive to inform yourself.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
No, I'm saying that I deserve the same vote as you because we are both adult citizens. You're arguing that certain special knowledge, or even worse, theoretical incentive to gain said special knowledge, gives one voter the right to a greater say than another, so I demonstrated that your assumption of my knowledge was drastically incomplete. > You are happy to let people who have done neither have a vote, too? How does that make sense? Given statistics on down-ballot voting, a fair chunk of people who have nothing riding on a particular office, or don't have knowledge about it, opt themselves out. This is the democratic way of handling the situation. No other party except the voter themself can genuinely discover whether the voter is "informed enough" to cast a vote. There are plenty of hyper-informed hyper-partisans who let their ideology overrule their knowledge. Who say "my kids matter, but I don't give a damn about yours, and will vote to that effect". Do you believe that in your system those who homeschool or send their kids to private school should vote on the public schools? I do, but it seems like you wouldn't. > But I get the same number of votes as you? Yes. > You won't be an expert in everything that you need to make decisions about, but you will have an incentive to inform yourself. Sure. And in a democracy yours will hopefully be the most informative, and hopefully convincing, voice. And your voice will convince many of the other voters that you are correct, and they will vote in the way you recommend.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago

No, I'm saying that I deserve the same vote as you because we are both adult citizens. You're arguing that certain special knowledge, or even worse, theoretical incentive to gain said special knowledge, gives one voter the right to a greater say than another, so I demonstrated that your assumption of my knowledge was drastically incomplete. > You are happy to let people who have done neither have a vote, too? How does that make sense? Given statistics on down-ballot voting, a fair chunk of people who have nothing riding on a particular office, or don't have knowledge about it, opt themselves out. This is the democratic way of handling the situation. No other party except the voter themself can genuinely discover whether the voter is "informed enough" to cast a vote. There are plenty of hyper-informed hyper-partisans who let their ideology overrule their knowledge. Who say "my kids matter, but I don't give a damn about yours, and will vote to that effect". Do you believe that in your system those who homeschool or send their kids to private school should vote on the public schools? I do, but it seems like you wouldn't. > But I get the same number of votes as you? Yes. > You won't be an expert in everything that you need to make decisions about, but you will have an incentive to inform yourself. Sure. And in a democracy yours will hopefully be the most informative, and hopefully convincing, voice. And your voice will convince many of the other voters that you are correct, and they will vote in the way you recommend.