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All these warnings about AI safety are bullshit. Humanity is perfectly well capable of ruining itself without help from AGI (nuclear proliferation is unsolved

All these warnings about AI safety are bullshit. Humanity is perfectly well capable of ruining itself without help from AGI (nuclear proliferation is unsolved and getting worse, climate change will bite soon etc). If anything AGI could save us by giving us some help in solving these problems. Or perhaps doing the mercy kill to put us out quickly, instead of us suffering a protracted death by a slowly deteriorating environment.

kortilla 3y ago
“There are also other things killing us” is not a justification for making more. Why not just give nuclear weapons to extremists?
- data_maan 3y ago
  Because nuclear weapons definitely would kill us. AGI may also help us. Since we are not helping ourselves and will soon enough suffer climate doom, we really don't have anything to loose to go for AGI. It's the only rational choice right now, the logic is compelling. (Climate doom sounds dramatic, I know, but it's a fact if you read the latest IPCC report and the Surround science.)
  - pixl97 3y ago
    >we really don't have anything to loose to go for AGI There is no bottom to worse. I don't want to figure out how low that bottom is as my chemical constituents are being turned into paperclips.
    - data_maan 3y ago
      But you do realize that in 7-12 years [1] those paperclips will be lost in an extreme weather event?... [1] theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report
  - shrimp_emoji 3y ago
    > Because nuclear weapons definitely will kill us I don't think so. Hurt us, sure. Kill us? That's bioweapons. ;) Wait until a Plague, Inc.-tier engineered virus inevitably escapes a BSL4 lab and gg. AI might count in that it might help someone engineer such a virus in their home lab. I hope we have offplanet population centers or posthumans by then.
    - data_maan 3y ago
      Again, no AGI needed for biowepons, malicious actors can do that today already. Perhaps not as easy, perhaps not as fast, but they can do it. What we have shown time and again though is that what we can't do is solve climate change. For that only AGI may help.
- latency-guy2 3y ago
  Agreed, stop making food, cars, drugs, guns, knives, forks, pens, stairs, bathtubs, rugs, and so on. We are actively being murdered everyday by these things and more, lets stop the extremists from gaining access to these things. Do not justify, that's illegal from now on.
  - kortilla 3y ago
    Are you literally incapable of seeing the difference between making food and giving nuclear bombs to terrorists?
    - latency-guy2 3y ago
      Yes, seeing as you're killing off the conversation as soon as it doesn't go your way. So why can't everyone else do the same to you.
      - data_maan 3y ago
        They can :) You answer, I answer. Climate watches. @_@

kortilla 3y ago

“There are also other things killing us” is not a justification for making more. Why not just give nuclear weapons to extremists?

data_maan 3y ago
Because nuclear weapons definitely would kill us. AGI may also help us. Since we are not helping ourselves and will soon enough suffer climate doom, we really don't have anything to loose to go for AGI. It's the only rational choice right now, the logic is compelling. (Climate doom sounds dramatic, I know, but it's a fact if you read the latest IPCC report and the Surround science.)
- pixl97 3y ago
  >we really don't have anything to loose to go for AGI There is no bottom to worse. I don't want to figure out how low that bottom is as my chemical constituents are being turned into paperclips.
  - data_maan 3y ago
    But you do realize that in 7-12 years [1] those paperclips will be lost in an extreme weather event?... [1] theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/08/global-warming-must-not-exceed-15c-warns-landmark-un-report
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  > Because nuclear weapons definitely will kill us I don't think so. Hurt us, sure. Kill us? That's bioweapons. ;) Wait until a Plague, Inc.-tier engineered virus inevitably escapes a BSL4 lab and gg. AI might count in that it might help someone engineer such a virus in their home lab. I hope we have offplanet population centers or posthumans by then.
  - data_maan 3y ago
    Again, no AGI needed for biowepons, malicious actors can do that today already. Perhaps not as easy, perhaps not as fast, but they can do it. What we have shown time and again though is that what we can't do is solve climate change. For that only AGI may help.
latency-guy2 3y ago
Agreed, stop making food, cars, drugs, guns, knives, forks, pens, stairs, bathtubs, rugs, and so on. We are actively being murdered everyday by these things and more, lets stop the extremists from gaining access to these things. Do not justify, that's illegal from now on.
- kortilla 3y ago
  Are you literally incapable of seeing the difference between making food and giving nuclear bombs to terrorists?
  - latency-guy2 3y ago
    Yes, seeing as you're killing off the conversation as soon as it doesn't go your way. So why can't everyone else do the same to you.
    - data_maan 3y ago
      They can :) You answer, I answer. Climate watches. @_@