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>Considering the subjectiveness of the legal rules, I find that impossible to know unless each pictures was considered by a court. Then this entire argument is

by ceol 15y ago

>Considering the subjectiveness of the legal rules, I find that impossible to know unless each pictures was considered by a court. Then this entire argument is moot, is it not? If you require a court to verify each photograph, you do not belong in this discussion. >In any case, if most of r/jailbait was illegal, I don't see why Vanity Fair isn't, considering the 15-year-old Miley Cyrus photoshoot, or Wikipedia considering the album cover of Virgin Killer. Do you really not see the difference between a Vanity Fair photo shoot and an album's cover art to photos taken and collected of underage children for the sexual gratification of others? >How so? What law did it break? Its moderators distributed and promoted child pornography.

Dylan16807 15y ago
Were the photos taken for that purpose? I find the idea repulsive that inappropriate and deviant collection could change the legality of the photos.
- ceol 15y ago
  To be honest, I don't feel comfortable researching cases where someone was prosecuted for owning a collection of images that, on their own, would not constitute child pornography.
icebraining 15y ago
Then this entire argument is moot, is it not? If you require a court to verify each photograph, you do not belong in this discussion. Ok, then first: did you look at all pictures in r/jailbait, r/teen_girls, etc? If not, how can you say they were all illegal? Second: under what capacity are you empowered to decide who belongs to this discussion? Do you really not see the difference between a Vanity Fair photo shoot and an album's cover art to photos taken and collected of underage children for the sexual gratification of others? What, do you really think the photoshoot of a naked Miley Cyrus (covered, but still naked) was not intended to arouse men? Ha. Now compare that with r/jailbait, where all photos were clothed and many (most?) were self-shots. Its moderators distributed and promoted child pornography. So they broke the law, not the subreddits. Having a forum called "jailbait" or "teen girls" is not illegal by itself.
- ceol 15y ago
  >Ok, then first: did you look at all pictures in r/jailbait, r/teen_girls, etc? If not, how can you say they were all illegal? I said the majority of them were illegal. >What, do you really think the photoshoot of a naked Miley Cyrus (covered, but still naked) was not* intended to arouse men? Ha.* You can continue your conjecturing, but according to [the photographer and Cyrus][0], it was artistic. [0]: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/SummerConcert/story?id=4736358&page=1 http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/SummerConcert/story?id=4... >Now compare that with r/jailbait, where all photos were clothed and many (most?) were self-shots. Oh, you mean all of those photos taken from their Facebook pages and Photobucket accounts without their permission? The photos meant only for themselves or their friends, spread across the Internet? Totally better than Miley Cyrus taking a single artistic photograph for Vanity Fair. >So they broke the law, not the subreddits. Having a forum called "jailbait" or "teen girls" is not illegal by itself. I never said it was.
  - yummyfajitas 15y ago
    ...the subreddit itself was illegal. I never said it was. Could you reconcile these two statements? Also, if you believe that the stolen facebook/photobucket photos are illegal, should facebook/photobucket be held liable for hosting it?
    - ceol 15y ago
      I never said the subreddit is illegal because it's titled "jailbait" or "teen girls". I said it's illegal because of the content it hosts and promotes. >Also, if you believe that the stolen facebook/photobucket photos are illegal, should facebook/photobucket be held liable for hosting it? No.
      - yummyfajitas 15y ago
        How can the same picture be child pornography on reddit, but legitimate content on facebook?

by ceol 15y ago

Dylan16807 15y ago

Were the photos taken for that purpose? I find the idea repulsive that inappropriate and deviant collection could change the legality of the photos.

ceol 15y ago
To be honest, I don't feel comfortable researching cases where someone was prosecuted for owning a collection of images that, on their own, would not constitute child pornography.

icebraining 15y ago

Then this entire argument is moot, is it not? If you require a court to verify each photograph, you do not belong in this discussion. Ok, then first: did you look at all pictures in r/jailbait, r/teen_girls, etc? If not, how can you say they were all illegal? Second: under what capacity are you empowered to decide who belongs to this discussion? Do you really not see the difference between a Vanity Fair photo shoot and an album's cover art to photos taken and collected of underage children for the sexual gratification of others? What, do you really think the photoshoot of a naked Miley Cyrus (covered, but still naked) was not intended to arouse men? Ha. Now compare that with r/jailbait, where all photos were clothed and many (most?) were self-shots. Its moderators distributed and promoted child pornography. So they broke the law, not the subreddits. Having a forum called "jailbait" or "teen girls" is not illegal by itself.

ceol 15y ago
>Ok, then first: did you look at all pictures in r/jailbait, r/teen_girls, etc? If not, how can you say they were all illegal? I said the majority of them were illegal. >What, do you really think the photoshoot of a naked Miley Cyrus (covered, but still naked) was not* intended to arouse men? Ha.* You can continue your conjecturing, but according to [the photographer and Cyrus][0], it was artistic. [0]: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/SummerConcert/story?id=4736358&page=1 http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/SummerConcert/story?id=4... >Now compare that with r/jailbait, where all photos were clothed and many (most?) were self-shots. Oh, you mean all of those photos taken from their Facebook pages and Photobucket accounts without their permission? The photos meant only for themselves or their friends, spread across the Internet? Totally better than Miley Cyrus taking a single artistic photograph for Vanity Fair. >So they broke the law, not the subreddits. Having a forum called "jailbait" or "teen girls" is not illegal by itself. I never said it was.
- yummyfajitas 15y ago
  ...the subreddit itself was illegal. I never said it was. Could you reconcile these two statements? Also, if you believe that the stolen facebook/photobucket photos are illegal, should facebook/photobucket be held liable for hosting it?
  - ceol 15y ago
    I never said the subreddit is illegal because it's titled "jailbait" or "teen girls". I said it's illegal because of the content it hosts and promotes. >Also, if you believe that the stolen facebook/photobucket photos are illegal, should facebook/photobucket be held liable for hosting it? No.
    - yummyfajitas 15y ago
      How can the same picture be child pornography on reddit, but legitimate content on facebook?