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i am currently being blocked from accessing element.io because this ban is directly affecting me. That is why i am able to speak on it. my matrix access has no

i am currently being blocked from accessing element.io because this ban is directly affecting me. That is why i am able to speak on it. my matrix access has not stopped but i guess it probably will in the next few days. There are thousands of matrix servers so being connected isn't an issue. The issue is specifically making the government understand that e2ee is necessary for the very reason they do not want it in the first place. terrorism is never an issue. the target, like china is on dissent and these are just propaganda

jraph 3y ago
Good luck with the censoring happening in your country! That's quite shitty.
- celdon25 3y ago
  Hopefully their search results also aren’t manipulated like in the US. At least they have a shot if they are allowed to even know the app exists :)
the_gipsy 3y ago
You can use any other client, right?
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  Yep. For now the element.io keeps coming up and getting blocked on a 10-20 minutes schedule for some reason. No stoppage of service is happening for now. Even matrix.org is working. All clients are working, all servers are working
eklavya 3y ago
I would like to understand how blocking element suppresses dissent in India. Every month there is somebody protesting in Delhi with media coverage. I would agree with you if the terrorism problem was more like that in the west. But people are killed by terrorists almost every week in India.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  Dissent is a dirty word in India today. https://scroll.in/article/954711/in-kashmir-a-spree-of-arrests-for-alleged-misuse-of-social-media-and-vpns https://scroll.in/article/954711/in-kashmir-a-spree-of-arres... Few years who when India unilaterally changed the status of Kashmir so they just banned the while internet. For like 6 months. Then when it was allowed, the boogeyman of "misuse" which was a dirty word for dissent. People have been arrested for posting dissent, for having VPN apps on their phones. Their only aim is to obtain complete control. Dissent is not allowed. Element does not give them a punching bag rep nor gives them backdoor access. Both things are mentioned in the original news. WhatsApp does both so their e2ee is irrelevant. My question on the terrorism is, did terrorism not exist before e2ee? Were they able to stop them completely before now that they are unable to?
  - 1024core 3y ago
    > Few years who when India unilaterally changed the status of Kashmir You must not know how laws work. Kashmir agreed to join India in 1948. It was given a special status, enshrined in Article 370 of the Constitution of India. Now, that "special status" has always bothered a lot of Indians; what's so special about Kashmir? Why not any of the other 537 states that formed India in 1947? There were certain conditions on which Article 370 could be removed. Those conditions were met in 2019 and the Central Government took the decision to remove Article 370 to much rejoicing in areas like Ladakh and Jammu. This was challenged in the Indian Supreme Court (the final arbiter of things Constitutional) and found to be valid.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      "Kashmir agreed to join India in 1948" What you are saying seems to be factual true, but for context one should probably add, that the only other option would have been Pakistan. Whose troops were already inside Kashmir. Independence, which is what most Kashmiris likely would have preferred, was not on the table offered to them, by any of the bigger empires around them. And the Kashmir independence movement in its whole, seems to be considered terrorism by india since day one.

jraph 3y ago

Good luck with the censoring happening in your country! That's quite shitty.

celdon25 3y ago
Hopefully their search results also aren’t manipulated like in the US. At least they have a shot if they are allowed to even know the app exists :)

the_gipsy 3y ago

You can use any other client, right?

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
Yep. For now the element.io keeps coming up and getting blocked on a 10-20 minutes schedule for some reason. No stoppage of service is happening for now. Even matrix.org is working. All clients are working, all servers are working

eklavya 3y ago

I would like to understand how blocking element suppresses dissent in India. Every month there is somebody protesting in Delhi with media coverage. I would agree with you if the terrorism problem was more like that in the west. But people are killed by terrorists almost every week in India.

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
Dissent is a dirty word in India today. https://scroll.in/article/954711/in-kashmir-a-spree-of-arrests-for-alleged-misuse-of-social-media-and-vpns https://scroll.in/article/954711/in-kashmir-a-spree-of-arres... Few years who when India unilaterally changed the status of Kashmir so they just banned the while internet. For like 6 months. Then when it was allowed, the boogeyman of "misuse" which was a dirty word for dissent. People have been arrested for posting dissent, for having VPN apps on their phones. Their only aim is to obtain complete control. Dissent is not allowed. Element does not give them a punching bag rep nor gives them backdoor access. Both things are mentioned in the original news. WhatsApp does both so their e2ee is irrelevant. My question on the terrorism is, did terrorism not exist before e2ee? Were they able to stop them completely before now that they are unable to?
- 1024core 3y ago
  > Few years who when India unilaterally changed the status of Kashmir You must not know how laws work. Kashmir agreed to join India in 1948. It was given a special status, enshrined in Article 370 of the Constitution of India. Now, that "special status" has always bothered a lot of Indians; what's so special about Kashmir? Why not any of the other 537 states that formed India in 1947? There were certain conditions on which Article 370 could be removed. Those conditions were met in 2019 and the Central Government took the decision to remove Article 370 to much rejoicing in areas like Ladakh and Jammu. This was challenged in the Indian Supreme Court (the final arbiter of things Constitutional) and found to be valid.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    "Kashmir agreed to join India in 1948" What you are saying seems to be factual true, but for context one should probably add, that the only other option would have been Pakistan. Whose troops were already inside Kashmir. Independence, which is what most Kashmiris likely would have preferred, was not on the table offered to them, by any of the bigger empires around them. And the Kashmir independence movement in its whole, seems to be considered terrorism by india since day one.