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My understanding is that schizophernia is a predisposed condition. Cannabis can trigger it but not really cause it. (That's at least what I got from talking to

by csomar 4y ago

My understanding is that schizophernia is a predisposed condition. Cannabis can trigger it but not really cause it. (That's at least what I got from talking to a professional). One clue to find out whether you are predisposed is if you have someone in the family (related genetically) who has at-birth mental health issues. Then stay a gazillion miles clear of any drugs.

MagicMoonlight 4y ago
If you don’t have it and then taking it makes you have it then that is causing it
- mock-possum 4y ago
  Right. Which is why there’s no science to back up the claim that marijuana causes schizophrenia.
  - swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
    Marijuana causing schizophrenia would be easy to determine if nobody was schizophrenic before the reefer. Before then they were just possessed by demons.
- CapstanRoller 4y ago
  There's a big difference between a direct cause and a potential trigger for a condition with specific endogenous prerequisites. There is no universal trend of people consuming cannabis and developing schizophrenia.
  - calvinmorrison 4y ago
    Is it like a catalyst?
    - CapstanRoller 4y ago
      Sometimes, but not always. In chemistry, catalysts can help initiate or facilitate chemical reactions, but there is often another input required to kick start the process (e.g. heat). A catalyst won't do anything if there are other things missing. We know that cannabis can act as a catalyst for schizophrenia, but we also know that not everyone who is predisposed to schizophrenia develops it 100% of the time after cannabis use. There are degrees of predisposition, and a bunch of other factors that contribute to this.
- jb1991 4y ago
  Does a freezer make ice, or does water make ice?
- CP3f6kMA 4y ago
  A trigger requires a gun to actually do anything.
fsckboy 4y ago
> at-birth mental health issues many of the most common mental health conditions (personality disorders, and schizophrenia) don't appear till the end of adolescence.
josephcsible 4y ago
> My understanding is that schizophernia is a predisposed condition. Cannabis can trigger it but not really cause it. If something is flammable, and so predisposed to burning, and you hold a lit match to it, you did cause the fire. You didn't just trigger it.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  This is a weird argument, because “trigger” and “cause” here are exact synonyms.
- astrange 4y ago
  See, you just have to draw a causal diagram and enumerate all possible counterfactual worlds…
- derangedHorse 4y ago
  Your analogy isn't equivalent to what was said. To be 1-1 with the OP, you'd be arguing that the lighter caused something to be flammable. Causing a *fire* is something else. Similarly someone can be schizophrenic but have an *episode* caused by weed. The weed didn't make them schizophrenic but it did cause an episode to happen.
- mock-possum 4y ago
  This allegory only works if you’re willing to accept that some people are inflammable.

by csomar 4y ago

MagicMoonlight 4y ago

If you don’t have it and then taking it makes you have it then that is causing it

mock-possum 4y ago
Right. Which is why there’s no science to back up the claim that marijuana causes schizophrenia.
- swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
  Marijuana causing schizophrenia would be easy to determine if nobody was schizophrenic before the reefer. Before then they were just possessed by demons.
CapstanRoller 4y ago
There's a big difference between a direct cause and a potential trigger for a condition with specific endogenous prerequisites. There is no universal trend of people consuming cannabis and developing schizophrenia.
- calvinmorrison 4y ago
  Is it like a catalyst?
  - CapstanRoller 4y ago
    Sometimes, but not always. In chemistry, catalysts can help initiate or facilitate chemical reactions, but there is often another input required to kick start the process (e.g. heat). A catalyst won't do anything if there are other things missing. We know that cannabis can act as a catalyst for schizophrenia, but we also know that not everyone who is predisposed to schizophrenia develops it 100% of the time after cannabis use. There are degrees of predisposition, and a bunch of other factors that contribute to this.
jb1991 4y ago
Does a freezer make ice, or does water make ice?
CP3f6kMA 4y ago
A trigger requires a gun to actually do anything.

fsckboy 4y ago

> at-birth mental health issues many of the most common mental health conditions (personality disorders, and schizophrenia) don't appear till the end of adolescence.

josephcsible 4y ago

> My understanding is that schizophernia is a predisposed condition. Cannabis can trigger it but not really cause it. If something is flammable, and so predisposed to burning, and you hold a lit match to it, you did cause the fire. You didn't just trigger it.

dragonwriter 4y ago
This is a weird argument, because “trigger” and “cause” here are exact synonyms.
astrange 4y ago
See, you just have to draw a causal diagram and enumerate all possible counterfactual worlds…
derangedHorse 4y ago
Your analogy isn't equivalent to what was said. To be 1-1 with the OP, you'd be arguing that the lighter caused something to be flammable. Causing a *fire* is something else. Similarly someone can be schizophrenic but have an *episode* caused by weed. The weed didn't make them schizophrenic but it did cause an episode to happen.
mock-possum 4y ago
This allegory only works if you’re willing to accept that some people are inflammable.