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Are people who have been given the information that they're using a placebo trully convinced of that or do they just have a mental barrier preventing them from

Are people who have been given the information that they're using a placebo trully convinced of that or do they just have a mental barrier preventing them from further acknowledging it and just resign to respond: "yeah, I know it's just a placebo"

AlecSchueler 3y ago
Try it yourself. I take placebo for all sorts of small ailments and it's surprisingly effective.
- chii 3y ago
  But a true placebo effect is only _if_ the ailment _did not_ heal if you hadn't taken the placebo. Otherwise, you're just taking a nonactive ingredient, and your body is merely healing itself from the ailment. A true test of placebo effect must be one where you'd have a group who does not use a placebo, and a group that does! But then how would you study it blind?
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    > A true test of placebo effect must be one where you'd have a group who does not use a placebo, and a group that does! But then how would you study it blind? Maybe a better (and possible) test would be to give everyone the placebo, but divide participants into three groups. One would be told they're given a real treatment, the other would be told they're given a placebo for the real treatment, and the third would be told they're given a sugar pill for no specific reason other than to see what happens. 1+2 would then tell you about whether or not knowing if you're getting a real treatment or placebo matters; 2+3 would tell you how much knowing you have a problem to treat in the first place matters.
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    Huh? I thought the point of the thread was that placebo works even when you know it's a placebo.
    - TeMPOraL 3y ago
      The point of the wider thread is that placebo generally does not work. It only may create an illusion that it does - but that illusion alone does not cure the underlying problem (unless that problem is highly affected by your perception, at which point it's not really a placebo, but a proper treatment).
TeMPOraL 3y ago
They may have heard of "placebo effect" (i.e. the popular take on it), and figured "hey, this means it might still do something; better not dwell on it too much".

AlecSchueler 3y ago

Try it yourself. I take placebo for all sorts of small ailments and it's surprisingly effective.

chii 3y ago
But a true placebo effect is only _if_ the ailment _did not_ heal if you hadn't taken the placebo. Otherwise, you're just taking a nonactive ingredient, and your body is merely healing itself from the ailment. A true test of placebo effect must be one where you'd have a group who does not use a placebo, and a group that does! But then how would you study it blind?
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > A true test of placebo effect must be one where you'd have a group who does not use a placebo, and a group that does! But then how would you study it blind? Maybe a better (and possible) test would be to give everyone the placebo, but divide participants into three groups. One would be told they're given a real treatment, the other would be told they're given a placebo for the real treatment, and the third would be told they're given a sugar pill for no specific reason other than to see what happens. 1+2 would then tell you about whether or not knowing if you're getting a real treatment or placebo matters; 2+3 would tell you how much knowing you have a problem to treat in the first place matters.
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  Huh? I thought the point of the thread was that placebo works even when you know it's a placebo.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    The point of the wider thread is that placebo generally does not work. It only may create an illusion that it does - but that illusion alone does not cure the underlying problem (unless that problem is highly affected by your perception, at which point it's not really a placebo, but a proper treatment).

TeMPOraL 3y ago

They may have heard of "placebo effect" (i.e. the popular take on it), and figured "hey, this means it might still do something; better not dwell on it too much".