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Will autonomous driving help minimize auto-accidents? Yes. Is the technology there yet? No.
by seshagiric 3y ago
Will autonomous driving help minimize auto-accidents? Yes.
Is the technology there yet? No.
- userbinator 3y agoWill banning all human agency help minimize accidents of all kinds in life? Yes. Do we want to? No.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoHuman agency to impart 782,000 newtons at will regardless of intoxication, skill, alertness, etc causes accidents that kill and maim an awful lot of people. I for one look forward to the day that idiot weaving through traffic at 80mph in an enormous SUV agency is banned for my, my families, and everyone else’s sake.
- userbinator 3y agoDo you also look forward to not being able to do anything else either? Because that's where things are heading if you continue to choose safety over freedom.
- Dylan16807 3y agoYou could make that argument about anything. You could make that argument about needing a license, or how you're not allowed to take a turn driving a plane.
- lamontcg 3y agoThe bulk of our society seems to be losing the ability to be self-responsible and behaves erratically and dangerously and then blames everyone around them when it goes wrong. If that continues then the logical result is going to be the restriction of freedoms. If you want to fix that, you need to do something about the rising narcissism and irresponsibility in society. If you just try to lecture people about safety-vs-freedom, then you will be losing your freedom.
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- mey 3y agoMy litmus test for this is simple. Has the steering wheel been removed and the manufacturer taken all liability for at fault claims? Until then, I don't want a self driving car. If the mfg doesn't believe in the tech enough to own liability, how can I?
- fasthands9 3y agoI also don't trust self-driving cars right now, but fwiw this would not be close to legal so not sure it makes the most sense as the litmus test.
- burnished 3y agoI think assuming liability is sufficient, calling for the removal of the steering wheel doesn't seem relevant.
- sixstringtheory 3y agoBy the time the calculus includes the savings of the steering wheel, column and other components, and the gear selector, mirror adjustment control, brake and accelerator pedals, and all the other systems that used to be needed by a human driver, autonomous driving (hopefully) would be really really good.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoI use full self driving for long highway trips. I do however take the advice of the manufacturer and stay fully alert. It has caught situations where some bonehead is drifting into my lane or changing lanes without noticing me, and I didn’t notice them fast enough, and braked avoiding an accident. Like wise I’ve noticed it make mistakes and asserted control. My estimation is the joint probability of the model catching a dangerous situation and me catching it is significantly better than me alone. It also is able to navigate through confusing interchanges that I normally screw up by taking the second exit of four instead of the third or whatever. I think a litmus test of “perfect” is a fair test, but leaves a lot of value uncounted in the mean time. I think perhaps ignoring essentially everything Elon musk says and does and judge based on what’s in front of you is what works for me in not getting baited into the “is the Tesla FSD sentient and can do my taxes” hype cycle, with its requisite jadedness.
- dylan604 3y agoPersonally, I don't think it ever will as long as we're trying to mix human drivers with automated drivers using existing infrastructure. Seems like if it was 100% automated with a system for communication between vehicles to "ask" to change lanes of the cars around it, then we'd be a lot better off than having the car "guess" what a human is attempting to do.
- __loam 3y agoThe technology is there. Waymo and Cruise have been testing self-driving cars in various US cities for years, and putting thousands of engineering hours into safety. You can take a driverless ride in a Waymo in Pheonix right now. The problem with Tesla is that it was a rushed system built on the whim of a 50 year old nepo baby, and that real safety requires holistic sensor suites that include LIDAR and RADAR, as well as a fuck load of redundancy, in addition to cameras, which is the only thing Teslas have.
- infradig 3y agoWhat's your evidence that Elon Musk is a "nepo baby".
- jltsiren 3y agoThere were a bunch of articles a couple of days ago how emergency responders are having an increasing amount of trouble with Waymo and Cruise. The root issue seems to be that the cars can't handle exceptional situations on their own, and there are not enough human operators to deal with them quickly enough.
- krupan 3y agoCruise and Waymo have slightly inconvenienced emergency responders. Tesla crashed into a firetruck and killed someone.
- quonn 3y agoHow? FSD means being constantly alert and ready to take over. If the driver didn‘t do this, he killed someone, not the car. It‘s abundantly clear to anyone opting into the beta.
- jwestbury 3y agoLegal liability is not the same as causation. If a Tesla using FSD crashes into something, then the Tesla software crashed into something.