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I agree, additionally from the POV that sensory attention is de facto focus-stealing wrt other functionalities. General or anecdotal benefits aside, it typicall

I agree, additionally from the POV that sensory attention is de facto focus-stealing wrt other functionalities. General or anecdotal benefits aside, it typically taxes other systems of attention very heavily. It's also shortsighted to nail ourselves to the cross of "yep, always gonna be exercise, that's just what it takes" when that potentially isn't necessary, and even worse, may prevent huge steps forward in use of human potential. Add to this the many cases in which exercise is not feasible or safe... (GPT mentions the work of Dr. Mark Tarnopolsky but I'm not familiar)

nradov 3y ago
What are the "many" cases in which exercise is not feasible or safe? Unless you're an ICU patient on life support or something you can always exercise more. You would have to get pretty far out on the exercise curve, like consistently over 30 hours per week, before safety starts to become a concern. And as for focus stealing it taxing other systems of attention, that's just bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about. A rigorous exercise program actually enhances your ability to focus. Dr. Mark Tarnopolsky is a competitive athlete who exercises a lot and also sells his own line of nutritional supplements. I think he would be the first to tell you that it's always going to be exercise, that's just what it takes. Drugs and nutritional supplements can help a little, especially for people with some underlying pathology, but they will never substitute for frequent hard exercise.
- themodelplumber 3y ago
  Sorry, it doesn't sound like you have much experience with the topic of needing to not exercise. Can't be much simpler put than that. It's unfortunate that you've conflated this with what seems to be a passionate relationship with pro-exercise philosophies. Which is really out of scope. The list of reasons why exercise may not be feasible is a really, really long one. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean _anybody_ owes you an answer, particularly not when you throw around those accusatory beauty words like "bullshit". Seriously, that's the best you can do here? You are out of your depth and just raging about it, is how that looks. Focus stealing means you must _always_ focus on the exercise to some degree, so something else loses that focus. Extended focus away from a process that requires energy is de facto energy loss. So, some processes will lose energy when exercise is performed. Simple logic. Safety as a concern is _never_ bound solely to hours spent exercising--this should be obvious on its face. Nobody's threatening to take your passion away, you can still feel free to rage against the perceived lazy people, etc. But come on. You owe the whole world better here in lowering the discourse to this my-horse-sense-must-apply level.
  - nradov 3y ago
    So you are basically just making up nonsense to justify your own laziness and lack of discipline. If you want to lie to yourself to feel better about your own failings then go ahead, but if you post misinformation on here then expect to get called out. Passion and philosophy is irrelevant. Lack of exercise is a proven killer, worse than smoking. It also delivers cognitive benefits beyond just the physical stuff. That is medical fact. https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/ https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/
    - themodelplumber 3y ago
      You didn't read a word, really? This has nothing to do with lack of exercise being a problem. Your crusade to inform me about exercise is wasted; my own before & after pics from extreme weight loss and advanced fitness are easily found online, lmao. It's pretty clear so far that I could lecture you on aspects of exercise that are well beyond your experience level. Exercise _can be a problem that people need to cope with_, can you admit that? If not, then you are too obsessive and not experienced enough for the topic. BTW I noticed every last detail that you sidestepped, too. So, naturally this makes you a BS artist who is getting called out as well, by your logic.
      - nradov 3y ago
        There are a tiny number of obsessive people who are essentially addicted to exercise and do it excessively to the point of harming themselves. But they are so rare as to be statistically insignificant. For everyone else, more and harder exercise is a solution, not a problem. https://peterattiamd.com/ama38/ https://peterattiamd.com/ama38/ Your other details are irrelevant and I intentionally ignored them as being unworthy of a serious response.

nradov 3y ago

What are the "many" cases in which exercise is not feasible or safe? Unless you're an ICU patient on life support or something you can always exercise more. You would have to get pretty far out on the exercise curve, like consistently over 30 hours per week, before safety starts to become a concern. And as for focus stealing it taxing other systems of attention, that's just bullshit. You don't know what you're talking about. A rigorous exercise program actually enhances your ability to focus. Dr. Mark Tarnopolsky is a competitive athlete who exercises a lot and also sells his own line of nutritional supplements. I think he would be the first to tell you that it's always going to be exercise, that's just what it takes. Drugs and nutritional supplements can help a little, especially for people with some underlying pathology, but they will never substitute for frequent hard exercise.

themodelplumber 3y ago
Sorry, it doesn't sound like you have much experience with the topic of needing to not exercise. Can't be much simpler put than that. It's unfortunate that you've conflated this with what seems to be a passionate relationship with pro-exercise philosophies. Which is really out of scope. The list of reasons why exercise may not be feasible is a really, really long one. Just because you can't think of it doesn't mean _anybody_ owes you an answer, particularly not when you throw around those accusatory beauty words like "bullshit". Seriously, that's the best you can do here? You are out of your depth and just raging about it, is how that looks. Focus stealing means you must _always_ focus on the exercise to some degree, so something else loses that focus. Extended focus away from a process that requires energy is de facto energy loss. So, some processes will lose energy when exercise is performed. Simple logic. Safety as a concern is _never_ bound solely to hours spent exercising--this should be obvious on its face. Nobody's threatening to take your passion away, you can still feel free to rage against the perceived lazy people, etc. But come on. You owe the whole world better here in lowering the discourse to this my-horse-sense-must-apply level.
- nradov 3y ago
  So you are basically just making up nonsense to justify your own laziness and lack of discipline. If you want to lie to yourself to feel better about your own failings then go ahead, but if you post misinformation on here then expect to get called out. Passion and philosophy is irrelevant. Lack of exercise is a proven killer, worse than smoking. It also delivers cognitive benefits beyond just the physical stuff. That is medical fact. https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/ https://peterattiamd.com/outlive/
  - themodelplumber 3y ago
    You didn't read a word, really? This has nothing to do with lack of exercise being a problem. Your crusade to inform me about exercise is wasted; my own before & after pics from extreme weight loss and advanced fitness are easily found online, lmao. It's pretty clear so far that I could lecture you on aspects of exercise that are well beyond your experience level. Exercise _can be a problem that people need to cope with_, can you admit that? If not, then you are too obsessive and not experienced enough for the topic. BTW I noticed every last detail that you sidestepped, too. So, naturally this makes you a BS artist who is getting called out as well, by your logic.
    - nradov 3y ago
      There are a tiny number of obsessive people who are essentially addicted to exercise and do it excessively to the point of harming themselves. But they are so rare as to be statistically insignificant. For everyone else, more and harder exercise is a solution, not a problem. https://peterattiamd.com/ama38/ https://peterattiamd.com/ama38/ Your other details are irrelevant and I intentionally ignored them as being unworthy of a serious response.