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Foe, 100% - this is such a short-sighted move by apple that I am bewildered at the support it's implementation has received. If you cant see it coming now, here

Foe, 100% - this is such a short-sighted move by apple that I am bewildered at the support it's implementation has received. If you cant see it coming now, here's what the future will look like: Mountains of unusable e-waste Apple devices which have no real owners and would be perfectly usable if not for this arbitrary lock. There must be a better, more logical way to protect from theft that doesn't involve these long term effects.

ezfe 3y ago
Companies (I know this, since mine does) can block employees from activating Activation Lock with a profile E-waste generated by activation lock at companies is almost entirely due to mismanagement or lack of will.
- widowlark 3y ago
  Agree to all of the above, which is why im certain it will be widespread. What now?
  - TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
    This would be fairly easy for Apple to fix as a middle-ground. Some (presumably not all) MDMs delete the escrowed Activation Lock bypass code when you drop the machine from MDM. Jamf _suggests_ that this is because Apple won’t validate the bypass code unless the machine still exists in the last associated MDM, but I’ve never found crystal clear documentation on the underlying theory. If Apple already knows the last enrolled MDM server (which isn’t guaranteed), then they could change the implementation so that the last valid bypass code is always preserved and valid. This could then be made available via some channel. I’ve been long saddened that they don’t want to work with industry more expansively to deal with the waste problem the current implementation creates. At the same time, it’s my hardware. If it gets lost or stolen, I still feel entitled to control whether it’s useful. On the other hand, I’d rather wipe it and let it be used than a resource sink.
ralph84 3y ago
If the device has no real owner return it to Apple and they can refurbish or recycle it. In terms of mitigating e-waste Apple does a pretty good job considering their size.
- widowlark 3y ago
  You feel its a valuable use of a working machine to do this?
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    "Just throw it away through us, for free! Keep in mind, any other option may be contractually illegal and we will do everything in our power to prevent you from recovering this hardware." Someday we'll wonder why people thought this company cared about the environment. Someday.

ezfe 3y ago

Companies (I know this, since mine does) can block employees from activating Activation Lock with a profile E-waste generated by activation lock at companies is almost entirely due to mismanagement or lack of will.

widowlark 3y ago
Agree to all of the above, which is why im certain it will be widespread. What now?
- TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
  This would be fairly easy for Apple to fix as a middle-ground. Some (presumably not all) MDMs delete the escrowed Activation Lock bypass code when you drop the machine from MDM. Jamf _suggests_ that this is because Apple won’t validate the bypass code unless the machine still exists in the last associated MDM, but I’ve never found crystal clear documentation on the underlying theory. If Apple already knows the last enrolled MDM server (which isn’t guaranteed), then they could change the implementation so that the last valid bypass code is always preserved and valid. This could then be made available via some channel. I’ve been long saddened that they don’t want to work with industry more expansively to deal with the waste problem the current implementation creates. At the same time, it’s my hardware. If it gets lost or stolen, I still feel entitled to control whether it’s useful. On the other hand, I’d rather wipe it and let it be used than a resource sink.

ralph84 3y ago

If the device has no real owner return it to Apple and they can refurbish or recycle it. In terms of mitigating e-waste Apple does a pretty good job considering their size.

widowlark 3y ago
You feel its a valuable use of a working machine to do this?
- smoldesu 3y ago
  "Just throw it away through us, for free! Keep in mind, any other option may be contractually illegal and we will do everything in our power to prevent you from recovering this hardware." Someday we'll wonder why people thought this company cared about the environment. Someday.