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who here can already see clearly the NYPD officer's completely blank stare when you show them exactly where the car thief took your car. "did you see them do

by zzzeek 4y ago

who here can already see clearly the NYPD officer's completely blank stare when you show them exactly where the car thief took your car. "did you see them do it? otherwise it's not our problem"

beembeem 4y ago
Have already seen this with other stolen property with other PDs across the country. - "It's too risky" - "not valuable enough" - "could be dangerous" - "can't prove your stolen item is where the GPS says" - "can't dispatch an officer or detective just because you have a GPS location" etc etc
- oh_sigh 4y ago
  Don't forget: "Are you sure you didn't let them borrow the car?"
- sitkack 4y ago
  I had someone steal my keys with an airtag on them in Seattle. Cops said they were going to send someone after making me file a police report, screenshots of Find My, etc. Call them an hour later, "oh yeah, no officers responded, we are too busy, good luck!" and this was on a slow-ass sunday around Greenlake. Recovered the keys myself. Good thing they have a 355M budget. https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/FinanceDepartment/22adoptedbudget/SPD.pdf https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/FinanceDepartm...
  - icelancer 4y ago
    SPD does much the same for me. I had my laptop tracked using Prey software (prior to Airtags) and they refused to send cops to a location I personally scouted out, took pictures of, and identified my equipment. When I told them I might confront the thief on my own, they strongly cautioned against it. Basically they aren't interested in doing their job, or anyone taking action themselves.
    - sneak 4y ago
      This is the best argument for defunding the police - their budgets have largely stayed flat or even gone up, and they aren't doing their jobs. Why are we paying for it?
      - sitkack 4y ago
        I could write a book about how useless the police are, using only FOIA requested docs.
chimeracoder 4y ago
> who here can already see clearly the NYPD officer's completely blank stare when you show them exactly where the car thief took your car. "did you see them do it? otherwise it's not our problem" With NYPD, it's even worse: "if we didn't see it, we can't do anything about it". This is, of course, entirely false, but good luck trying to argue with a cop and getting them to do their job. Heck, NYPD refuses to even take police reports on stolen property (which is a huge hassle because insurance usually requires a police report as a prerequisite to filing claims). You literally have to argue with them just to get them to file the report - not even do anything about the issue, mind you, just to get them to fill out the form.
- yowzadave 4y ago
  The NYPD can bend crime stats by controlling the number of reports that get made. Want to make it seem like crime is going down in a neighborhood (so they can take credit for it)? Stop filling out so many reports. Want to convince people that there is a crime wave before an election to stymie any "defund" efforts? Fill out more reports. Neither requires doing any actual investigations.
- frankfrankfrank 4y ago
  It’s really rather ironic that those types of cops are usually also located among the very same kind of people who demand that we only rely in the police for all things like some kind of parent as if they could be a good parent at that. It’s always struck me as a kind of underdevelopment, a continuation of the infantilism that so many never get over as the move from being taken care of their parents to Taken care of by school and then Taken care of by universities and then taken care of by Acme corporation that claims to really care about them. Of course that works love being taken care of by big government and its plantation formen called police.
trafficante 4y ago
Portland Police Bureau are in good company, it seems. The only reason to file a police report for a stolen vehicle these days (in Portland) is documentation for insurance. I very rarely hear about people getting their cars back via PPB without it being months later (and in pieces with mysterious stains everywhere) due to being incidentally swept up in a rare chop shop bust. And yes, this is a policing problem. It’s also a city council problem. And a DA problem. And a homeless/drug problem (both direct results of voter referendums). But we have a two party system so urbanite Oregonians will never vote these idiots out.
- mperham 4y ago
  Portland city political positions are nonpartisan. Portland "democrats" can range from center right (rene gonzalez) to progressive left (no one). I'm hopeful RCV will help. Eric Adams may have a D next to his name but he's a traditional Republican according to his policies (cutting libraries/schools, more funding for cops).
  - seanw444 4y ago
    Then things are a-changin'. I don't know any current "Republicans" that like Eric Adams.
tantalor 4y ago
https://abc7.com/ebike-theft-airtag-aliso-viejo/13091749/ https://abc7.com/ebike-theft-airtag-aliso-viejo/13091749/ > spokesperson with the Orange County Sheriff's Department reminded victims of crime to let local law enforcement take over the recovery of stolen items
JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> did you see them do it? otherwise it's not our problem If we're trading anecdotes, I had two laptops lifted from my apartment. The NYPD's detectives followed up with the building for footage, identified a suspect, followed up with the resident they were seen with, got the suspect's Instagram and got an arrest warrant. That resulted in them nabbing the guy when he was ticketed for jumping a subway turnstile.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  I actually know multiple people who were robbed and NYPD caught them when they used the victims metro card. Wild that thieves haven't realized that the cards can be tracked and the stations are under surveillance, but maybe that's why they turned to crime.
  - seanw444 4y ago
    It's generally not the smartest bunch.
- zzzeek 4y ago
  if your building had "footage"...and the NYPD actually cared about a non-violent theft, with "detectives" no less....wow....well we would assume you were living in a pretty "uptown" neighborhood. where we lived, there were of course lots of "detectives", but they had a single purpose which was to arrest black people for drug possession. Other than murders, that was pretty much it.
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > well we would assume you were living in a pretty "uptown" neighborhood No. And off plumb. Adjust your priors. (Obviously no doormen.) > where we lived Where? We have so many generic hypotheticals with loose calls for policy. Let the folks who feel the brawn and brunt of crime and law enforcement speak solutions. This topic has lost relevance because it was diluted.
    - 4y ago
1-more 4y ago
I know it's a nearby city but when I used Orbicule Undercover to find my laptop's thieves the Newark fuzz had it back to me very fast. They of course did not chase down anything else that was stolen and fenced elsewhere because the crime was solved with my thing. Crazy.

by zzzeek 4y ago

who here can already see clearly the NYPD officer's completely blank stare when you show them exactly where the car thief took your car. "did you see them do it? otherwise it's not our problem"

beembeem 4y ago

Have already seen this with other stolen property with other PDs across the country. - "It's too risky" - "not valuable enough" - "could be dangerous" - "can't prove your stolen item is where the GPS says" - "can't dispatch an officer or detective just because you have a GPS location" etc etc

oh_sigh 4y ago
Don't forget: "Are you sure you didn't let them borrow the car?"
sitkack 4y ago
I had someone steal my keys with an airtag on them in Seattle. Cops said they were going to send someone after making me file a police report, screenshots of Find My, etc. Call them an hour later, "oh yeah, no officers responded, we are too busy, good luck!" and this was on a slow-ass sunday around Greenlake. Recovered the keys myself. Good thing they have a 355M budget. https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/FinanceDepartment/22adoptedbudget/SPD.pdf https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/FinanceDepartm...
- icelancer 4y ago
  SPD does much the same for me. I had my laptop tracked using Prey software (prior to Airtags) and they refused to send cops to a location I personally scouted out, took pictures of, and identified my equipment. When I told them I might confront the thief on my own, they strongly cautioned against it. Basically they aren't interested in doing their job, or anyone taking action themselves.
  - sneak 4y ago
    This is the best argument for defunding the police - their budgets have largely stayed flat or even gone up, and they aren't doing their jobs. Why are we paying for it?
    - sitkack 4y ago
      I could write a book about how useless the police are, using only FOIA requested docs.

chimeracoder 4y ago

> who here can already see clearly the NYPD officer's completely blank stare when you show them exactly where the car thief took your car. "did you see them do it? otherwise it's not our problem" With NYPD, it's even worse: "if we didn't see it, we can't do anything about it". This is, of course, entirely false, but good luck trying to argue with a cop and getting them to do their job. Heck, NYPD refuses to even take police reports on stolen property (which is a huge hassle because insurance usually requires a police report as a prerequisite to filing claims). You literally have to argue with them just to get them to file the report - not even do anything about the issue, mind you, just to get them to fill out the form.

yowzadave 4y ago
The NYPD can bend crime stats by controlling the number of reports that get made. Want to make it seem like crime is going down in a neighborhood (so they can take credit for it)? Stop filling out so many reports. Want to convince people that there is a crime wave before an election to stymie any "defund" efforts? Fill out more reports. Neither requires doing any actual investigations.
frankfrankfrank 4y ago
It’s really rather ironic that those types of cops are usually also located among the very same kind of people who demand that we only rely in the police for all things like some kind of parent as if they could be a good parent at that. It’s always struck me as a kind of underdevelopment, a continuation of the infantilism that so many never get over as the move from being taken care of their parents to Taken care of by school and then Taken care of by universities and then taken care of by Acme corporation that claims to really care about them. Of course that works love being taken care of by big government and its plantation formen called police.

trafficante 4y ago

Portland Police Bureau are in good company, it seems. The only reason to file a police report for a stolen vehicle these days (in Portland) is documentation for insurance. I very rarely hear about people getting their cars back via PPB without it being months later (and in pieces with mysterious stains everywhere) due to being incidentally swept up in a rare chop shop bust. And yes, this is a policing problem. It’s also a city council problem. And a DA problem. And a homeless/drug problem (both direct results of voter referendums). But we have a two party system so urbanite Oregonians will never vote these idiots out.

mperham 4y ago
Portland city political positions are nonpartisan. Portland "democrats" can range from center right (rene gonzalez) to progressive left (no one). I'm hopeful RCV will help. Eric Adams may have a D next to his name but he's a traditional Republican according to his policies (cutting libraries/schools, more funding for cops).
- seanw444 4y ago
  Then things are a-changin'. I don't know any current "Republicans" that like Eric Adams.

tantalor 4y ago

https://abc7.com/ebike-theft-airtag-aliso-viejo/13091749/ https://abc7.com/ebike-theft-airtag-aliso-viejo/13091749/ > spokesperson with the Orange County Sheriff's Department reminded victims of crime to let local law enforcement take over the recovery of stolen items

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> did you see them do it? otherwise it's not our problem If we're trading anecdotes, I had two laptops lifted from my apartment. The NYPD's detectives followed up with the building for footage, identified a suspect, followed up with the resident they were seen with, got the suspect's Instagram and got an arrest warrant. That resulted in them nabbing the guy when he was ticketed for jumping a subway turnstile.

HDThoreaun 4y ago
I actually know multiple people who were robbed and NYPD caught them when they used the victims metro card. Wild that thieves haven't realized that the cards can be tracked and the stations are under surveillance, but maybe that's why they turned to crime.
- seanw444 4y ago
  It's generally not the smartest bunch.
zzzeek 4y ago
if your building had "footage"...and the NYPD actually cared about a non-violent theft, with "detectives" no less....wow....well we would assume you were living in a pretty "uptown" neighborhood. where we lived, there were of course lots of "detectives", but they had a single purpose which was to arrest black people for drug possession. Other than murders, that was pretty much it.
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > well we would assume you were living in a pretty "uptown" neighborhood No. And off plumb. Adjust your priors. (Obviously no doormen.) > where we lived Where? We have so many generic hypotheticals with loose calls for policy. Let the folks who feel the brawn and brunt of crime and law enforcement speak solutions. This topic has lost relevance because it was diluted.
  - 4y ago

1-more 4y ago

I know it's a nearby city but when I used Orbicule Undercover to find my laptop's thieves the Newark fuzz had it back to me very fast. They of course did not chase down anything else that was stolen and fenced elsewhere because the crime was solved with my thing. Crazy.