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When's the last time the US publicly executed a homosexual person or adulterer, with or without trial?

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bragr 4y ago
If you include lynchings (and I am), very recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States#Violence_against_LGBT_people_since_1969 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LG...
- haldujai 4y ago
  Mob violence and hate crimes =/= state sanctioned violence. Readers should note that all of the cited examples here are considered criminal and illegal in the United States.
  - bragr 4y ago
    They literally asked "with or without trial"
    - haldujai 4y ago
      i.e. state sanctioned or publicly accepted execution without trial. No law on earth can physically prevent someone from acquiring a weapon and killing members of the LGBT community, the difference is whether this is tolerated and/or endorsed by the state and public, which it is not. You provided a list of heinous crimes that in no way reflects the views of the United States government or the general public. To make it even clearer, recent LGBT violence is not even remotely relatable to the widespread lynchings of Black Americans (which you are evoking with this word) that was 'illegal' yet systemically tolerated in the early-mid 1900s. Literally none of these LGBT crimes were associated with a mob proclaiming justice as was the case with historical lynchings.
I-M-S 4y ago
With trial seems to be 1785 [1]. Without trial here's a list of killings in the last year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States#2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LG... [1] https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://en.wikipedia.org/&httpsredir=1&article=1061&context=englishfacpubs https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=h...
- newfriend 4y ago
  I'm sure you understand the difference between an individual committing a crime and a state-sanctioned execution. So what's the purpose of this comment, other than to mislead? Here are some highlights from your misleading list: > April 26, 2022 – An unidentified individual threw a rock through the front door of the Pride Center VT office. As of April, 2022 the incident remains unsolved and is being investigated as a hate crime Only two items in the list are even killings, including this one: > June 23, 2022 – Naasire Johnson was killed by his gay lover, Kylen Pratt.
scarface74 4y ago
Not execute. But there were laws against “sodomy” - ie consensual non heterosexual sex between adults in some southern states as late as the 80s and people went to jail.
- steveklabnik 4y ago
  > there were There still are! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Stat... > As of March 2023, 14 states either have not yet formally repealed their laws against sexual activity among consenting adults or have not revised them to accurately reflect their true scope as a result of Lawrence v. Texas. While Lawrence v Texas does limit these laws, there's a concerted effort to repeal it, and if that happens, these laws will go back into effect.

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If you include lynchings (and I am), very recently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States#Violence_against_LGBT_people_since_1969 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LG...

haldujai 4y ago
Mob violence and hate crimes =/= state sanctioned violence. Readers should note that all of the cited examples here are considered criminal and illegal in the United States.
- bragr 4y ago
  They literally asked "with or without trial"
  - haldujai 4y ago
    i.e. state sanctioned or publicly accepted execution without trial. No law on earth can physically prevent someone from acquiring a weapon and killing members of the LGBT community, the difference is whether this is tolerated and/or endorsed by the state and public, which it is not. You provided a list of heinous crimes that in no way reflects the views of the United States government or the general public. To make it even clearer, recent LGBT violence is not even remotely relatable to the widespread lynchings of Black Americans (which you are evoking with this word) that was 'illegal' yet systemically tolerated in the early-mid 1900s. Literally none of these LGBT crimes were associated with a mob proclaiming justice as was the case with historical lynchings.

I-M-S 4y ago

With trial seems to be 1785 [1]. Without trial here's a list of killings in the last year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States#2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LG... [1] https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://en.wikipedia.org/&httpsredir=1&article=1061&context=englishfacpubs https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=h...

newfriend 4y ago
I'm sure you understand the difference between an individual committing a crime and a state-sanctioned execution. So what's the purpose of this comment, other than to mislead? Here are some highlights from your misleading list: > April 26, 2022 – An unidentified individual threw a rock through the front door of the Pride Center VT office. As of April, 2022 the incident remains unsolved and is being investigated as a hate crime Only two items in the list are even killings, including this one: > June 23, 2022 – Naasire Johnson was killed by his gay lover, Kylen Pratt.

scarface74 4y ago

Not execute. But there were laws against “sodomy” - ie consensual non heterosexual sex between adults in some southern states as late as the 80s and people went to jail.

steveklabnik 4y ago
> there were There still are! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_Stat... > As of March 2023, 14 states either have not yet formally repealed their laws against sexual activity among consenting adults or have not revised them to accurately reflect their true scope as a result of Lawrence v. Texas. While Lawrence v Texas does limit these laws, there's a concerted effort to repeal it, and if that happens, these laws will go back into effect.