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I mean, not paying for/depending on/having half of those networks sounds pretty awesome I’d add lack of internet to your list. Much harder (but not impossible

I mean, not paying for/depending on/having half of those networks sounds pretty awesome I’d add lack of internet to your list. Much harder (but not impossible) to provide yourself.

TeMPOraL 4y ago
Absolutely! Unfortunately, they are all mutually dependent and mutually reinforcing, so you can't opt out of some without opting out of the rest.
- microtherion 4y ago
  Cf "A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear": https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/matthew-hongoltz-hetling/a-libertarian-walks-into-a-bear/9781541788510/?lens=publicaffairs https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/matthew-hongoltz-he...
jollyllama 4y ago
>much harder to provide That's the real problem. HN forgets not everyone is remote.
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  The "provide" is easy these days, apparently, thanks to Starlink. The "yourself" bit is a tricky bit, as where it comes to utilities, you can sort of DIY your own supply of everything else, but Internet is as much a social construct as it is technical.
  - DANmode 4y ago
    Have they resolved their scaling issues that folks here have been raising red flags about?
    - Scoundreller 4y ago
      Seems to hugely matter on which cell you're in. Haven't seen a proper public geo-driven approach to data collection to figure out what's really going on.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  Should be able to do a lot with an HF link anywhere running at like 1200bps or 2400bps, which should be reliable on the same continent. (Not supposed to do that in USA, and won't work if everyone does it, but HF is kinda dying and different places have different rules, sooo...). terminal, HN would be fine, a console reddit and the carbonyl chromium browser for everything else you need 'live'. Too bad things have moved onto Discord from IRC.
scubbo 4y ago
Thank you for the valuable reminder that not everyone sees the world identically! To me, an avowed city lover, all of those things are essential to a high(or even medium!)-quality life - well, except "schooling, after-school activities", as I'm not a parent and never will be. Your evaluation's no less valid, though! I hope you get to find and enjoy your ideal rural retreat soon :)
concordDance 4y ago
Internet is MUCH easier than clean running water or access to healthcare. Just need a Starlink rather than needing a helicopter and a water treatment plant (or 50 miles of piping with pumps every mile).

I mean, not paying for/depending on/having half of those networks sounds pretty awesome I’d add lack of internet to your list. Much harder (but not impossible) to provide yourself.

TeMPOraL 4y ago

Absolutely! Unfortunately, they are all mutually dependent and mutually reinforcing, so you can't opt out of some without opting out of the rest.

microtherion 4y ago
Cf "A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear": https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/matthew-hongoltz-hetling/a-libertarian-walks-into-a-bear/9781541788510/?lens=publicaffairs https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/matthew-hongoltz-he...

jollyllama 4y ago

>much harder to provide That's the real problem. HN forgets not everyone is remote.

TeMPOraL 4y ago
The "provide" is easy these days, apparently, thanks to Starlink. The "yourself" bit is a tricky bit, as where it comes to utilities, you can sort of DIY your own supply of everything else, but Internet is as much a social construct as it is technical.
- DANmode 4y ago
  Have they resolved their scaling issues that folks here have been raising red flags about?
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    Seems to hugely matter on which cell you're in. Haven't seen a proper public geo-driven approach to data collection to figure out what's really going on.
Scoundreller 4y ago
Should be able to do a lot with an HF link anywhere running at like 1200bps or 2400bps, which should be reliable on the same continent. (Not supposed to do that in USA, and won't work if everyone does it, but HF is kinda dying and different places have different rules, sooo...). terminal, HN would be fine, a console reddit and the carbonyl chromium browser for everything else you need 'live'. Too bad things have moved onto Discord from IRC.

scubbo 4y ago

Thank you for the valuable reminder that not everyone sees the world identically! To me, an avowed city lover, all of those things are essential to a high(or even medium!)-quality life - well, except "schooling, after-school activities", as I'm not a parent and never will be. Your evaluation's no less valid, though! I hope you get to find and enjoy your ideal rural retreat soon :)

concordDance 4y ago

Internet is MUCH easier than clean running water or access to healthcare. Just need a Starlink rather than needing a helicopter and a water treatment plant (or 50 miles of piping with pumps every mile).