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What is complex about the B/C border? That Hönow is B? Because else, it is literary the federal state border. A/B is the S-Bahn-Ring. Sure, three zones are not

by patall 3y ago

What is complex about the B/C border? That Hönow is B? Because else, it is literary the federal state border. A/B is the S-Bahn-Ring. Sure, three zones are not super simple and where zone C ends is somewhat arbitrary. But aside from that, it's the most logical and simple solution possible.

rcme 3y ago
Generally, I agree, it isn't very complicated to understand. But, it's very easy to forget to buy a C ticket if you're used to hopping on the U-bahn with your monthly AB ticket.
- mejutoco 3y ago
  The announcement mentions you do need it when announcing the stop. By then it is prob too late, though. If you use the bvg app it tells you which ticket you need for any destination, but non-locals might not know that.
  - cbmuser 3y ago
    > The announcement mentions you do need it when announcing the stop. By then it is prob too late, though. Not on all lines. If I remember correctly, I have only heard it on the new announcements for the BER airport. And, they actually tell you on time so you have a chance to buy an extension ticket.
    - mejutoco 3y ago
      It is pretty good, but on time here means to leave the wagon to buy a ticket and take the next train (unless you buy it on the app).
  - carlmr 3y ago
    >If you use the bvg app it tells you which ticket you need for any destination, but non-locals might not know that. I don't know the BVG app, but if you're not regularly in some city installing an app, finding out how it works, adding your payment info is a huge hassle. We need a single app for all German transit, that is well designed. Instead of hundreds or thousands of apps for every city and village. What I also really liked is the chargeable chip cards in Taiwan. You could enter and exit anywhere. Your card is charged with exactly the distance traveled. No thinking needed. Short distances are always cheap. E.g. if you travel from zone B-C but start just one stop before B ends, you wouldn't pay for the whole of B. You just pay what you use, which is fair.
    - mejutoco 3y ago
      That would be great, I agree.
- worklaptopacct 3y ago
  An airport being outside of city limits has its historical reason (the Allies have agreed that the entire area of Berlin could only be served by airlines operated by one of the four occupational forces, so East Germany simply built an airport just beyond city limits so that they could serve Berlin with its domestic airline). But an airport being just outside of the "regular" fare zone is something that's unfortunately not unusual.
  - carlmr 3y ago
    It's also high noise and air pollution, so you'd want it to be far from the city.
    - bakuninsbart 3y ago
      That said, look up Tempelhofer Flughafen, which was right in the city center of Berlin and served passengers until 2008. Now it is just a huge empty field where people do sports and barbecue.
  - iggldiggl 3y ago
    I don't think an airport being outside of the city limits is that unusual, either. E.g. the "new" Munich airport, all Paris airports (though you could argue that it's Paris which has unusually small city limits), Glasgow, London Gatwick, Stansted and Luton, San Francisco, …
throwaway60607 3y ago
Do you mean that the airport is outside of Germany? Or what else is "federal state border"? And what is a S-Bahn ring anyways? I visit Germany often and yet this makes no sense to me. Don't assume it's so simple for everyone.
- watwut 3y ago
  Germany is federation of 16 or so states
- mahathu 3y ago
  The airport is located in Schönefeld, a municipality in Brandenburg, just outside of Berlin, which is also a state. S-Bahn ring, usually called ring for short, refers to a prominent circular route around the city center of Berlin.
- tcptomato 3y ago
  Berlin is one of the 16 federal states of the Federal Republic of Germany.
- bakuninsbart 3y ago
  Federal in the American sense is a bit of a false friend for Germans: It means basically the same, but Americans use it to signify the unity of the states, while Germans talk about the states of the Union. So if we say federal borders we actually mean state borders and would otherwise say national or country borders.

by patall 3y ago

rcme 3y ago

Generally, I agree, it isn't very complicated to understand. But, it's very easy to forget to buy a C ticket if you're used to hopping on the U-bahn with your monthly AB ticket.

mejutoco 3y ago
The announcement mentions you do need it when announcing the stop. By then it is prob too late, though. If you use the bvg app it tells you which ticket you need for any destination, but non-locals might not know that.
- cbmuser 3y ago
  > The announcement mentions you do need it when announcing the stop. By then it is prob too late, though. Not on all lines. If I remember correctly, I have only heard it on the new announcements for the BER airport. And, they actually tell you on time so you have a chance to buy an extension ticket.
  - mejutoco 3y ago
    It is pretty good, but on time here means to leave the wagon to buy a ticket and take the next train (unless you buy it on the app).
- carlmr 3y ago
  >If you use the bvg app it tells you which ticket you need for any destination, but non-locals might not know that. I don't know the BVG app, but if you're not regularly in some city installing an app, finding out how it works, adding your payment info is a huge hassle. We need a single app for all German transit, that is well designed. Instead of hundreds or thousands of apps for every city and village. What I also really liked is the chargeable chip cards in Taiwan. You could enter and exit anywhere. Your card is charged with exactly the distance traveled. No thinking needed. Short distances are always cheap. E.g. if you travel from zone B-C but start just one stop before B ends, you wouldn't pay for the whole of B. You just pay what you use, which is fair.
  - mejutoco 3y ago
    That would be great, I agree.
worklaptopacct 3y ago
An airport being outside of city limits has its historical reason (the Allies have agreed that the entire area of Berlin could only be served by airlines operated by one of the four occupational forces, so East Germany simply built an airport just beyond city limits so that they could serve Berlin with its domestic airline). But an airport being just outside of the "regular" fare zone is something that's unfortunately not unusual.
- carlmr 3y ago
  It's also high noise and air pollution, so you'd want it to be far from the city.
  - bakuninsbart 3y ago
    That said, look up Tempelhofer Flughafen, which was right in the city center of Berlin and served passengers until 2008. Now it is just a huge empty field where people do sports and barbecue.
- iggldiggl 3y ago
  I don't think an airport being outside of the city limits is that unusual, either. E.g. the "new" Munich airport, all Paris airports (though you could argue that it's Paris which has unusually small city limits), Glasgow, London Gatwick, Stansted and Luton, San Francisco, …

throwaway60607 3y ago

Do you mean that the airport is outside of Germany? Or what else is "federal state border"? And what is a S-Bahn ring anyways? I visit Germany often and yet this makes no sense to me. Don't assume it's so simple for everyone.

watwut 3y ago
Germany is federation of 16 or so states
mahathu 3y ago
The airport is located in Schönefeld, a municipality in Brandenburg, just outside of Berlin, which is also a state. S-Bahn ring, usually called ring for short, refers to a prominent circular route around the city center of Berlin.
tcptomato 3y ago
Berlin is one of the 16 federal states of the Federal Republic of Germany.
bakuninsbart 3y ago
Federal in the American sense is a bit of a false friend for Germans: It means basically the same, but Americans use it to signify the unity of the states, while Germans talk about the states of the Union. So if we say federal borders we actually mean state borders and would otherwise say national or country borders.