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> a new type certificate which would then require all pilots flying it to certify on that type in addition to additional flight testing and manufacturing certif

> a new type certificate which would then require all pilots flying it to certify on that type in addition to additional flight testing and manufacturing certifications Boeing blamed the crashes on the lack of pilot training. > “The crew’s inadequate actions … played a role in the chain of events that led to the accident, in particular during the first phase of the flight, before the first MCAS activation,” the BEA wrote. Both agencies suggest that Ethiopian Airlines *failed to ensure its pilots were adequately trained* in the measures that Boeing recommended to counter an erroneous MCAS activation after the first MAX crash. https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/final-report-on-boeing-737-max-crash-disputed-agencies-note-pilot-error-as-a-factor/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/final...

alpos 3y ago
The manufacturers make the pilot training requirements in cooperation with the FAA. https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_reading_room/boeing_reading_room/media/737_FSB_Report.pdf https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_reading_room/boeing_read... https://services.boeing.com/training-solutions/flight-training/type-rating-courses https://services.boeing.com/training-solutions/flight-traini... "Pilot Error" is the most favored scapegoat in the aviation industry. It's always possible to say the problem occurred between "the keyboard and the floor", to use the analogous software catch phrase. But that isn't good enough when the systems are supposed to be designed for trained humans to operation without making such errors. If operating the system is error prone, change the system. In this case in particular, if the pilots were not trained well enough that was due to the fact that Boeing's initial training materials were inadequate. I know that article wants to push the narrative that those pilots in particular were not good enough pilots to begin with, but that was not true before they flew the Max8. Flying the Max8 is what got them killed. Kinda weird that they had this supposedly inadequate skill set all along but it was only a deadly issue with the brand new plane. It may indeed be that Ethiopia needs to up their training discipline. And that's good to address. But it does nothing to absolve Boeing's part in those crashes. https://www.businessinsider.com/boeings-ceo-on-why-737-max-pilots-not-told-of-mcas-2019-4?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/boeings-ceo-on-why-737-max-p... The FAA and Boeing have now established the new training requirements that should have been there from the start. > "3. HIGHLIGHTS OF CHANGE The purpose of this revision is to add training requirements for Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS), Autopilot Flight Director System (AFDS) enhancements, and additional Special Emphasis Training. Appendices 2 and 3 reflect applicable table updates from the Boeing 737-800 to the Boeing 737-8 and from the Boeing 737-8 to the Boeing 737-800. Appendix 7 was added to delineate ground and flight training necessary to operate the 737 MAX modified with Flight Control Computer (FCC) software version P12.1.2." Post incident Boeing is doing some double speaking for PR and CYA. But the investigation already proved out that they were dodging the training updates so they could get the plane to market sooner. And two things can be true at the same time as well. Accident investigations are meant to uncover ALL of the systemic and specific failures that led to the crash. And that's a really good thing. But again, everything thing even Boeing is responsible for, was done to avoid costly extended certification requirements for the planes and time consuming re-certification of pilots. If regulations are leading to this kind of behavior, it's not enough to even blame just Boeing. We need to make the right thing to do, the easiest thing to do. Maybe that's not possible here, but I don't really see anyone trying.

alpos 3y ago

The manufacturers make the pilot training requirements in cooperation with the FAA. https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_reading_room/boeing_reading_room/media/737_FSB_Report.pdf https://www.faa.gov/foia/electronic_reading_room/boeing_read... https://services.boeing.com/training-solutions/flight-training/type-rating-courses https://services.boeing.com/training-solutions/flight-traini... "Pilot Error" is the most favored scapegoat in the aviation industry. It's always possible to say the problem occurred between "the keyboard and the floor", to use the analogous software catch phrase. But that isn't good enough when the systems are supposed to be designed for trained humans to operation without making such errors. If operating the system is error prone, change the system. In this case in particular, if the pilots were not trained well enough that was due to the fact that Boeing's initial training materials were inadequate. I know that article wants to push the narrative that those pilots in particular were not good enough pilots to begin with, but that was not true before they flew the Max8. Flying the Max8 is what got them killed. Kinda weird that they had this supposedly inadequate skill set all along but it was only a deadly issue with the brand new plane. It may indeed be that Ethiopia needs to up their training discipline. And that's good to address. But it does nothing to absolve Boeing's part in those crashes. https://www.businessinsider.com/boeings-ceo-on-why-737-max-pilots-not-told-of-mcas-2019-4?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/boeings-ceo-on-why-737-max-p... The FAA and Boeing have now established the new training requirements that should have been there from the start. > "3. HIGHLIGHTS OF CHANGE The purpose of this revision is to add training requirements for Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS), Autopilot Flight Director System (AFDS) enhancements, and additional Special Emphasis Training. Appendices 2 and 3 reflect applicable table updates from the Boeing 737-800 to the Boeing 737-8 and from the Boeing 737-8 to the Boeing 737-800. Appendix 7 was added to delineate ground and flight training necessary to operate the 737 MAX modified with Flight Control Computer (FCC) software version P12.1.2." Post incident Boeing is doing some double speaking for PR and CYA. But the investigation already proved out that they were dodging the training updates so they could get the plane to market sooner. And two things can be true at the same time as well. Accident investigations are meant to uncover ALL of the systemic and specific failures that led to the crash. And that's a really good thing. But again, everything thing even Boeing is responsible for, was done to avoid costly extended certification requirements for the planes and time consuming re-certification of pilots. If regulations are leading to this kind of behavior, it's not enough to even blame just Boeing. We need to make the right thing to do, the easiest thing to do. Maybe that's not possible here, but I don't really see anyone trying.