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> Later that year, though, the right-to-repair movement scored some big wins. […] The very next day, New York’s legislature passed the bill that would later bec
by dawidpotocki 3y ago
> Later that year, though, the right-to-repair movement scored some big wins. […] The very next day, New York’s legislature passed the bill that would later become the nation’s first electronics right-to-repair law.
It's hard to call it a "win". It has been sabotaged by the governor Kathy Hochul at the last minute, a year after it passed with supermajority. She was waiting a whole year to sign the bill and at the end decided add loopholes which made the bill worse than useless. People now think that the problem is solved when in reality nothing has been done.
- cgb223 3y agoHow does a governor unilaterally add loopholes to a bill? Isn’t that the role of the legislative branch?
- int_19h 3y agoIt is, but the governor can basically hold the bill hostage by refusing to sign unless specific amendments are made, which is what happened here.
- LegitShady 3y agoIn NY if the governor doesn't sign it becomes law by default. https://www.nysenate.gov/how-bill-becomes-law-1 https://www.nysenate.gov/how-bill-becomes-law-1 >While the Legislature is in session, the Governor has 10 days (not counting Sundays) to sign or veto bills passed by both houses. Signed bills become law; vetoed bills do not. However, the Governor's failure to sign or veto a bill within the 10-day period means that it becomes law automatically.
- nier 3y ago> She was waiting a whole year to sign the bill and at the end decided add loopholes which made the bill worse than useless. So what’s with this 10 day timeframe? I’m confused. So, technically, they haven’t been waiting a year and vetoed the bill right away?
- LegitShady 3y agomost likely there was some shenanigans within the legislature to hide exactly who did what, which shouldn't be possible given freedom of information rules, but if it was vetoed that would leave a record that doesn't exist. Most likely it was never officially submitted until after changes occurred.
- LegitShady 3y agohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlHtbaRWAAEdwdv?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlHtbaRWAAEdwdv?format=jpg&name=... > "The legislation as drafted included technical issues that could put safety and security at risk, as well as heighten the risk of injury from physical repair projects, and I am pleased to have reached an agreement with the legislature to address these issues." The whole bill was altered by the legislature and governor such that assemblies satisfy the requirement to have parts available. So if Samsung glues the battery to the screen and sells it to you as a $300 part, that satisfies the requirement of having the battery available. So the whole bill was sabotaged and used a press release by the government to pretend they were doing something for the people when in fact they were neutering the bill.
- bombcar 3y agoI had an iPhone repaired under warranty; it was the logic board but the Apple Store dude was proud to let me know that the display and camera would move over, but everything else was part of the logic board (including the battery). I guess a phone with three parts is better than one with one part.
- aziaziazi 3y agoWhat model was it ? Does Apple solder their iPhones batteries now ?
- bombcar 3y agoit was an iPhone 13; I don't know if the battery is "really" connected or it's just how they do the repair; he just mentioned that the back cover and battery would be part of the logic board replacement. (I still am not quite certain why they didn't just give me a refurbished phone and later repair mine as a refurb, but whatever)
- lotsofpulp 3y agoNo, and in the newest iPhone, 14, it was made easier to replace the battery: https://www.ifixit.com/News/64865/iphone-14-teardown https://www.ifixit.com/News/64865/iphone-14-teardown I think X to 13 models had particularly difficult battery replacements.
- rychco 3y agoLobbyists butchered this legislation. Many of the suggested edits[1] by lobbyists to weaken the original - made it into the bill verbatim [2]. How do New Yorkers feel about unelected parties writing their laws? [1] https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23599780-technets-proposed-changes-to-digital-fair-repair-act https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23599780-technets-pr... [2] https://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=S01320&term=2023&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Text=Y&Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y#S01320 https://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?default_fld=&bn=S01320&ter...
- kyrra 3y agoMost lawmakers are lawyers. Meaning most of the time when they are writing laws in things, they are not th experts on such things. That the purpose of public comment periods, Publix hearings, and lobbyists being able to help craft laws. Now, this seems to be a failure where there were not protests raised to this amendments or the lawmakers ignored such things. Either way, the point of lobbyists is to allow industry experts to provide input. If there is nothing wrong with their suggestions, I don't see a problem with verbatim including of their wording. (I disagree with how the NY law was changed, but there are reasons lobbying exists).
- bordercases 3y agoHow would you approach thinking about this in a way which makes the lawyers culpable rather than an acceptable part of the status quo?
- bawolff 3y agoAre you really asking someone how they would rephrase their statement so it expresses a different point of view? Traditionally in an debate, it is your responsibility to convince the other side of your view. You can't just get the other side to make your argument for you.
- bordercases 3y ago
- newswasboring 3y ago> She was waiting a whole year to sign the bill and at the end decided add loopholes which made the bill worse than useless. Pardon my ignorance on this, I'm not American, but how can the governer do this? How can the governer change the laws the legislature made? Or does it mean it was sent back to the legislature and they were forced to make changes as the governer was not signing? But it passed with super majority, the governor cannot fight a supermajority, right?
- hahamrfunnyguy 3y agoWell, one way is the line item veto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line-item_veto_in_the_United_S.... In this case, I believe subtle changes were made to this bill just before the NYS legislature was going to be on recess and it passed and signed into law.
- newswasboring 3y agoBut the bill had a supermajority, how can the governor veto it at all? Is there no way for the legislature to force the governor to sign the bill? What if 100% of the legislature voted yes on something, can the governor still block it?
- Karunamon 3y agoBecause the ability to veto is a separate step in the workflow, not a precondition of how the vote to pass breaks down. If the hypothetical 100% of the legislature voted yes, the governor could still say no, and then it is upon the legislature to formally override with another vote.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoThat would explain why the bill not-yet-amended to the governor's preferences could not become law without another vote. But it doesn't explain how the amended-to-the-governor's-preferences version became law.
- iglio 3y agoGreat video from Louis Rossmann on this situation: https://youtu.be/7xGBB-717AI https://youtu.be/7xGBB-717AI
- ishan28mkip 3y agoI don't understand how a governor can single handedly add loopholes to a bill that has supermajority.
- amelius 3y agoOk, forget about the bill. We should have a right to repair our democracy!
- tzs 3y ago> She was waiting a whole year to sign the bill and at the end decided add loopholes which made the bill worse than useless. The changes made it so it would not cover agricultural equipment and big appliances like washing machines and refrigerators. It still covers electronic devices purchased at retail after it goes into effect (2023-07-1) such as computers, phones, and tablets. Hew is that "worse than useless"?
- hanselot 3y agohttps://thehustle.co/02162023-john-deere/ https://thehustle.co/02162023-john-deere/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9205919/Fridges-washing-machines-TVs-guaranteed-longer-war-planned-obsolescence.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9205919/Fridges-was... It's difficult to imagine someone could be so unaware of the battles waged around them.