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Eugene tried this as well. City council passed it without input from the community and is facing backlash. Since the 9th circuit decision, the ordinance has bee
by 0xdead8ead 3y ago
Eugene tried this as well. City council passed it without input from the community and is facing backlash. Since the 9th circuit decision, the ordinance has been called into question.
https://www.bendbulletin.com/business/eugene-s-natural-gas-ban-faces-uncertain-future-with-federal-appeals-decision-in-california/article_8d31907f-9d81-5996-9f19-117a917a5fe2.html https://www.bendbulletin.com/business/eugene-s-natural-gas-b...
The community has since generated enough signatures to put the ban to a public vote that will be voted on in November. Anecdotally, I'd say, most my neighbors are against the ban, judging from the names on the petition that I signed when they dropped through.
Personally, I believe folks should have the liberty to choose the best solution for their energy needs. I do a bit of home brewing, and I can say, without question, gas is superior for heating a large quantity of water quickly and keeping it at temp throughout the process. I even looked into electric brew kettles and >10G vessels require a dedicated 240V circuit.
Taking this all into account, I'm not sure I'll be buying / building within city limits. That or I'll just move to using my own methane composting biogas bladder. I'd love to see the greenies tell me I can't make my own gas in my back yard via composting.
- peteradio 3y agoEugene is way past its prime unfortunately. There used to be a giant festering pit in the middle of downtown, now it looks worse.
- brianwawok 3y agoMy best source of heat is burning animals bones, can I be your neighbor?
- 0xdead8ead 3y agoAnytime, neighbor. But, for when they come for your natural gas line — https://www.homebiogas.com/ https://www.homebiogas.com/
- Symbiote 3y ago(The site is blocked in the EU.) Since the NY ban is for new construction, wouldn't the obvious thing be to install more 240V circuits in the new buildings?
- 0xdead8ead 3y agoI suppose so? Will they? Doubt it.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoHave you tried induction? A kettle on an induction stove will boil pretty quickly and evenly, induction stoves are superior to gas stoves for most tasks (the exception being wok cooking, but you can get curved induction stoves for that). When we rewire our kitchen, I want a 220-40V plug for a separate kettle as well, just because water boiled so much faster in China than when we moved to the states.
- 8note 3y agoIf the 240v circuit is your problem, then this ordinance helps solve it, no? Future houses will be better set up to handle your task using electricity than hooking in a gas pipe to your boiler
- 0xdead8ead 3y agoThat implies that the code cretins would actually make a carve out for it. If I go to the trouble of jumping through all the state / county / local building code applications, I’m just going to build a 20kw capacity 48v solar array with a dual inverter that supports 240v and have the power company (government monopoly) as backup / battery top-up. My point is, that this is really unnecessary. Shoehorning the general public into electrification isn’t the answer here. And it goes far beyond just my small needs as a residential subscriber. Commercial breweries, restauranteurs, and everything in-between, use gas because it is far more efficient, cheaper, and suitable for their individual applications. Choice, is the essential thing here. Let the market sort it out. If the market can make a compelling argument for electrification, that’s the way people will go. But for now, I’m unconvinced. (btw — I lived in Berkeley for years, and houses that were gas grandfathered were especially sought after. Government diktats just create perverse incentives.)
- giardini 3y ago"...my own methane composting biogas bladder." I heard President Biden wears one, at the request of his wife.