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Patience! Try putting on a record and listening with friends or dancing to the beat with your significant other. Don't try to cherrypick just one song or conver

Patience! Try putting on a record and listening with friends or dancing to the beat with your significant other. Don't try to cherrypick just one song or conversely listen to endless AI generated mix while your mind is elsewhere. Afterwards, have a conversation about what the artist was trying to express and moments in your own life the songs reminded you of. THEN tell me you didn't have a unique experience compared to what Spotify provides you with.

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monkeywork 3y ago
Why can't you do that EACT same experience on spotify? You realize you can pick a specific album and play it in order correct? The only difference between the two is that with spotify you have options if you lack the self control to go for the experience you are suggesting.
- inamberclad 3y ago
  Deliberate restriction is the point of still using a lot of analog media. You can't pop open another app on your book, you can't look at the photo you just took on film, and you can't easily skip a song on a record.
- KyeRussell 3y ago
  “You realise you can…” Just admit that you don’t yet understand the other perspective. Resorting to this sort of snark really isn’t in service of reaching a shared understanding.
  - endorphine 3y ago
    Often times we just try to prove that the other person's taste/preference does not make sense. However that is a fool's errand: you can't convince me that I don't like chocolate, for example. I do! True, most people doesn't find meaning in using vinyl records, others. Why do we have to prove that either of them is right/wrong? Trying to understand the other's perspective is the way to go, if you care about getting closer to the truth.
- tuatoru 3y ago
  Never been able to read the liner notes to each other and admire the photos in the interior of the album cover together on Spotify.
  - iggldiggl 3y ago
    If digital liner notes were commonplace, you could at least look at them together on a tablet, even if that might still not be exactly the same thing. As it is you can't really read the liner notes and admire any photos alone, either, unless you're hunting them down on Discogs or somewhere else, never mind together with somebody else, too. The iTunes store in theory allows including a PDF booklet together with album purchases, but in practice it seems that albums that actually do include such a thing are almost as rare as hens' teeth.
- cfn 3y ago
  I find that hard to do myself. Spotify doesn't appear to have the same sequence as the LPs or even CDs. Another problem is finding original recordings on Spotify, mostly you find remasterings. Of course, none of these matter if you just want to listen to music.
- pharmakom 3y ago
  Why can’t I resist the chocolate in the cupboard? vinyl is like deciding not to buy the chocolate in the first place.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  You need to be on the distraction machine (your laptop), inside the distraction amplifier (your browser) on a very distracting site. Similar it using the app or a phone. The turntable can work with a literal digital detox (it is analog).
- cat_plus_plus 3y ago
  I can probably also recreate a grill burger in a microwave, even complete with burn marks somehow. But the real thing is inexpensive and easy to use, so why should I jump through the hoops? Also I have to wonder how long Spotify is going to exist or carry the albums I like. I can still play records made in the 80s with no issues.
TapWaterBandit 3y ago
How is this different from listening to an album on Spotify though?
- bombcar 3y ago
  It shouldn't be, but it is. The very act, the very ritual of starting a record playing changes the experience, even if everything else is exactly the same. You don't interact with music the same way.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    Also see making coffee versus Nespresso. Although I like to tell myself that the old fashioned way is objectively better with coffee.
    - v-erne 3y ago
      Great example - my Moccamaster since I bought it few months ago is used ten times more than capsule machine that stands next to it. And I'm not sure if the coffe is really better - but it does not matter because the morning ritual makes the experience so much better, that I cannot imagine going back to capsules.
      - Hoasi 3y ago
        Coffee capsules' business model relies on convenience to create unnecessary waste. Capsules of coffee taste worse and provide no improvement whatsoever. Why do this? Marketing creates a fake need, even though better solutions to brew coffee already exist. It's all about marketing convenience without innovation. You pay a higher tax for unnecessary capsule packaging, additional pollution, and waste.
    - matwood 3y ago
      Yes! I make pour over coffee almost every morning. It's a ritual where I take a few minutes of quiet and plan my day.
    - 3y ago
WalterBright 3y ago
> dancing to the beat with your significant other That usually causes the needle to skip! And the danger with disco records is feedback from the speakers to the needle.
- voldacar 3y ago
  Look into a suspension design like Thorens or AR. You can stomp on the floor, strike the platform supporting the turntable with a hammer, etc and it won't skip.
- Lio 3y ago
  Bollocks it does. :P Club culture was built around people dancing to music played on turntables. Specifically Technics SL1200 mk2 or SL1210 mk2 which only have a very little suspension in their feet. If you run in mono and there will be almost no feedback no matter how loud you play or how close to the speakers you are. Since one of the audio channels is inverted when recorded any signal feeding back will be cancelled out when the re-inverted signal is combined. This is why old DJ mixers from people like Pioneer used have a prominent Stereo/Mono switch. There's no real soundstage on a dance floor so you don't miss the stereo. In the really cool venues, back in the day, they used crossovers to move just the high-hats or percussion to a specific speaker array hanging over the centre of the dance floor and have the mids and bass somewhere else but it would always be from a mono signal never stereo. Source: Phono. Aux Source: I worked as a DJ way back when and have experience of very loud systems in front of large crowds of dancing people. I've also played many a sketchy flat where everything was balanced on milk crates on wooden floorboards.
  - mhall 3y ago
    Tape Source: my Dougal @ Vibealite tape where the MC keeps telling the crowd to move back because they are making the needles jump.
  - topranks 3y ago
    Been DJing and running our own sound for years and years. You 100% can get feedback from the sound when DJing. It’s guaranteed if you’ve enough bass. We put the decks on concrete slabs which in turn are on 4 squash balls to deal with it. What do you mean by “one it channels is inverted when recorded”??

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monkeywork 3y ago

Why can't you do that EACT same experience on spotify? You realize you can pick a specific album and play it in order correct? The only difference between the two is that with spotify you have options if you lack the self control to go for the experience you are suggesting.

inamberclad 3y ago
Deliberate restriction is the point of still using a lot of analog media. You can't pop open another app on your book, you can't look at the photo you just took on film, and you can't easily skip a song on a record.
KyeRussell 3y ago
“You realise you can…” Just admit that you don’t yet understand the other perspective. Resorting to this sort of snark really isn’t in service of reaching a shared understanding.
- endorphine 3y ago
  Often times we just try to prove that the other person's taste/preference does not make sense. However that is a fool's errand: you can't convince me that I don't like chocolate, for example. I do! True, most people doesn't find meaning in using vinyl records, others. Why do we have to prove that either of them is right/wrong? Trying to understand the other's perspective is the way to go, if you care about getting closer to the truth.
tuatoru 3y ago
Never been able to read the liner notes to each other and admire the photos in the interior of the album cover together on Spotify.
- iggldiggl 3y ago
  If digital liner notes were commonplace, you could at least look at them together on a tablet, even if that might still not be exactly the same thing. As it is you can't really read the liner notes and admire any photos alone, either, unless you're hunting them down on Discogs or somewhere else, never mind together with somebody else, too. The iTunes store in theory allows including a PDF booklet together with album purchases, but in practice it seems that albums that actually do include such a thing are almost as rare as hens' teeth.
cfn 3y ago
I find that hard to do myself. Spotify doesn't appear to have the same sequence as the LPs or even CDs. Another problem is finding original recordings on Spotify, mostly you find remasterings. Of course, none of these matter if you just want to listen to music.
pharmakom 3y ago
Why can’t I resist the chocolate in the cupboard? vinyl is like deciding not to buy the chocolate in the first place.
quickthrower2 3y ago
You need to be on the distraction machine (your laptop), inside the distraction amplifier (your browser) on a very distracting site. Similar it using the app or a phone. The turntable can work with a literal digital detox (it is analog).
cat_plus_plus 3y ago
I can probably also recreate a grill burger in a microwave, even complete with burn marks somehow. But the real thing is inexpensive and easy to use, so why should I jump through the hoops? Also I have to wonder how long Spotify is going to exist or carry the albums I like. I can still play records made in the 80s with no issues.

TapWaterBandit 3y ago

How is this different from listening to an album on Spotify though?

bombcar 3y ago
It shouldn't be, but it is. The very act, the very ritual of starting a record playing changes the experience, even if everything else is exactly the same. You don't interact with music the same way.
- lostlogin 3y ago
  Also see making coffee versus Nespresso. Although I like to tell myself that the old fashioned way is objectively better with coffee.
  - v-erne 3y ago
    Great example - my Moccamaster since I bought it few months ago is used ten times more than capsule machine that stands next to it. And I'm not sure if the coffe is really better - but it does not matter because the morning ritual makes the experience so much better, that I cannot imagine going back to capsules.
    - Hoasi 3y ago
      Coffee capsules' business model relies on convenience to create unnecessary waste. Capsules of coffee taste worse and provide no improvement whatsoever. Why do this? Marketing creates a fake need, even though better solutions to brew coffee already exist. It's all about marketing convenience without innovation. You pay a higher tax for unnecessary capsule packaging, additional pollution, and waste.
  - matwood 3y ago
    Yes! I make pour over coffee almost every morning. It's a ritual where I take a few minutes of quiet and plan my day.
  - 3y ago

WalterBright 3y ago

> dancing to the beat with your significant other That usually causes the needle to skip! And the danger with disco records is feedback from the speakers to the needle.

voldacar 3y ago
Look into a suspension design like Thorens or AR. You can stomp on the floor, strike the platform supporting the turntable with a hammer, etc and it won't skip.
Lio 3y ago
Bollocks it does. :P Club culture was built around people dancing to music played on turntables. Specifically Technics SL1200 mk2 or SL1210 mk2 which only have a very little suspension in their feet. If you run in mono and there will be almost no feedback no matter how loud you play or how close to the speakers you are. Since one of the audio channels is inverted when recorded any signal feeding back will be cancelled out when the re-inverted signal is combined. This is why old DJ mixers from people like Pioneer used have a prominent Stereo/Mono switch. There's no real soundstage on a dance floor so you don't miss the stereo. In the really cool venues, back in the day, they used crossovers to move just the high-hats or percussion to a specific speaker array hanging over the centre of the dance floor and have the mids and bass somewhere else but it would always be from a mono signal never stereo. Source: Phono. Aux Source: I worked as a DJ way back when and have experience of very loud systems in front of large crowds of dancing people. I've also played many a sketchy flat where everything was balanced on milk crates on wooden floorboards.
- mhall 3y ago
  Tape Source: my Dougal @ Vibealite tape where the MC keeps telling the crowd to move back because they are making the needles jump.
- topranks 3y ago
  Been DJing and running our own sound for years and years. You 100% can get feedback from the sound when DJing. It’s guaranteed if you’ve enough bass. We put the decks on concrete slabs which in turn are on 4 squash balls to deal with it. What do you mean by “one it channels is inverted when recorded”??