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Spam is killing independent email. gmail is fairly good at blocking it, is easy enough to get into, so it's been winning for years. I used to run independent e
by teunispeters 3y ago
Spam is killing independent email.
gmail is fairly good at blocking it, is easy enough to get into, so it's been winning for years.
I used to run independent email. It took constant work to get close to gmail's level of spam blocking. So I switched. Found most alternatives weren't anywhere near good enough, and I don't have enough hours in the day even for my own email.
- ska 3y ago> gmail is fairly good at blocking it This has been getting consistently worse over the last few years, in my experience. At least on the user end, i.e. far more false negatives getting through.
- themagician 3y agoTrue in my experience. Doubly so when dealing with foreign languages. I run a pretty international business with a lot of different email distributions. It's actually the spam filter in Google Groups that seems to constantly get tripped up with non-English, and in particular non-Latin, characters in emails. It puts far more of them into spam than it should.
- teunispeters 3y agoyep. It's a war between anti-spam and spam, and email standards themselves protect the spammers so ... yeah, this is not surprising.
- hammyhavoc 3y agoI noticed a correlation between the volume of spam I'm receiving to my spam folder, and the increase in false negative arriving in my inbox. Spam volume is increasing in my experience.
- ska 3y agoI think it's been true for a long time that most of the spam doesn't hit your spam folder either, so this is not the signal you suggest. It could mean more false positives at a lower layer though.
- hammyhavoc 3y agoI also monitor email at a network infrastructural level via CloudFlare for the domains, and the volume has definitely increased overall, quite significantly, including on domains belonging to clients. But yes, the amount that actually ends up in the spam folder itself is far lower than what actually gets sent to us.
- Avamander 3y agoThere's definitely an uptick in forgeries, which is also probably why Google has started strictly enforcing the existence of SPF or DKIM even without DMARC.
- LesZedCB 3y agoplus it doesn't seem to tune. no matter how many times i mark steam or fedex emails as not-spam, i just have to check there every now and again these days.
- Avamander 3y agoThat's a really common form of spam, so it's probably dragging legitimate ones into the same bin.
- jjav 3y ago> Spam is killing independent email. gmail is fairly good at blocking it, is easy enough to get into, so it's been winning for years. > I used to run independent email. It took constant work to get close to gmail's level of spam blocking. This is very contrary to my experience on both fronts. gmail spam filtering is mediocre. Spam gets through and good emails are flagged as spam. It's not very good. For my own domain where I self-host my email, my spam filtering is quite a bit better. Approximately nothing is ever mis-flagged as spam (has not happened in years) and the spam that gets through is a tiny fraction of what my gmail address gets. So for me my own spam filtering is much better than gmail. And no, it doesn't take constant work. In fact doesn't take any work at all. I set it up years ago, the bayesian filtering goes through all the mail but it takes zero effort from me. I wish this myth that gmail has some incredible filtering technology that nobody can replicate would just die already. Gmail isn't terrible at spam/ham filtering, but it's not that good either, just mediocre. You can do much better with minimal resources on your own.