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Sorry, good point - worldwide it's only ~90% that are factory farmed https://www.sentienceinstitute.org/global-animal-farming-estimates https://www.sentiencein

• marcosdumay 3y ago
  > However, there is substantial uncertainty in these figures No kidding. They could start by using a single (and known) definition for "factory farmed". Unless you are in the business of refining that data, this study is useless.
  • rmorey 3y ago
    it’s not useless, it’s just not that conclusive. Im pretty confident in saying a significant majority of animals raised for slaughter worldwide are done so in conditions commonly described as “factory farms”. We can quibble about the definitions all we want, but this is the dominant mode of raising animals for slaughter, that is clear to me
    • marcosdumay 3y ago
      > in conditions commonly described as “factory farms” Except that this phrase doesn't mean anything.
      • rmorey 3y ago
        hope this helps: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_animal_farming
        • marcosdumay 3y ago
          There is no reason at all to believe that the dozens of definitions that study used for "factory farm" fits the few ones stated on that wikipedia link. And there is no overwhelming problem that applies to all of the few definitions on your wikipedia link either.
          • rmorey 3y ago
            You said the phrase was meaningless, I disagree completely with that. We also disagree on the study, but that's a much more reasonable disagreement.
            • marcosdumay 3y ago
              As your wikipedia link shows, people commonly describe as "factory farm" anything from places where animals go indoor in the winter all the way to places where the animals have no space to move. Or places that create a lot of sessile animals are placed. Or places where animals are gathered to eat. Or places engineered to be comfortable for animals that don't move a lot. And that is only if you stay within the reasonable people. Almost everybody with an impulsion to talk about this subject uses unreasonable definitions. How is a single name that applies to all that still meaningful?
              • rmorey 3y ago
                Fine, let’s say “factory farming” is not a useful term. Do you have any suggestions for how we should talk about / classify modern farming practices? I genuinely appreciate this discussion