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In the coming months, all these idiotic hot takes are going to get washed away by the raging sea of value transformation that is generative AI. No one will even

In the coming months, all these idiotic hot takes are going to get washed away by the raging sea of value transformation that is generative AI. No one will even have the strength to stand up in the surf to blabber on like this. The amount of naive reactive denialism is embarrassing.

throwawa14223 3y ago
The same people pushing coins are pushing 'AI'.
- Robotbeat 3y ago
  You’re over-fitting. Hype maximizers will hype everything, fundamentally useful or not. They are not a discriminating signal for whether or not something is useful.
- brokencode 3y ago
  I’ve yet to hear a really compelling use case for cryptocurrency that doesn’t seem like it’d be better solved in some other way. It’s incredibly obvious how AI tools can be applied to many different problems. So even if it’s the same people “pushing” both, that doesn’t mean they are the same. These people are tech enthusiasts who want to make money, and they will be excited by any promising new tech.
  - whywhywhywhy 3y ago
    >I’ve yet to hear a really compelling use case for cryptocurrency that doesn’t seem like it’d be better solved in some other way. Getting your life savings out of a warzone
    - brokencode 3y ago
      Are there examples where this is possible but other forms of transfer are not possible? From my experience working with crypto exchanges, there are a lot of regulations and processes that make them just as slow as a bank in a pinch. And if your country is war torn, I find it unlikely any exchanges would even operate effectively there. This type of use mostly seems like a crypto bro fantasy to me, but I’d definitely be interested to see some reporting on this actually working.
- ben_w 3y ago
  That scammers who pushed the former are now pushing the latter, doesn't tell you much about the future. ChatGPT is, IMO, about the same value as a freshly graduated programmer — it would be a mistake to let it loose unsupervised, but on the other hand, what do junior devs cost to hire these days?
- ftxbro 3y ago
  Nah I made this account with its ftxbro name to make fun of them and you can even see the first comment I made on the account. I think cryptocurrency and nft speculation is some beanie babies stuff, but I think large language models as trained on the whole internet with these data centers full of sci-fi GPGPUs are amazing transformative tools at the level of the discovery of fire or the invention of language.
  - ryanklee 3y ago
    I completely agree with you. The only way this isn't true is if progress ceases because of some kind of socioeconomic catastrophy. We have already gotten over whatever hurdles there were that made supernnormal AI capability look potentially intractable. I don't think your comparisons to civilization butressing inventions like fire and writing and language (the last, to be fair, is an evolutionary invention, not a cultural one) are unfair or exagerrated. Things are about to get very strange in short order.
mjr00 3y ago
Do you have a specific example of "value transformation" where generative AI is going to have an impact?
- ryanklee 3y ago
  This question is totally baffling to me. Have you used these tools? The capabilities are astounding and dreamlike (and also a nightmare). I was born in the early 80s. There are only 2 other techno-socio moments in my life that have hit as hard: (1) the web around 1994, and (2) the smartphone. The appearance of the current iteration of generative AI for public consumption in the last few months dwarfs both. My own daily working patterns, expectations for my future, for my children's desirable skillsets have been entirely shifted. The entire value of generating information has been totally upended. If it can be created by AI -- and it's looking like most information-based things can/will be soon -- then humans now have a very different position in the world. Why I need to list any specifics at this point is beyond me. This is going to spread through the world like a fire.
dpflan 3y ago
I mean, this is pretty incredible: https://research.facebook.com/blog/2023/4/every-tree-counts-large-scale-mapping-of-canopy-height-at-the-resolution-of-individual-trees/ https://research.facebook.com/blog/2023/4/every-tree-counts-...
- wesleychen 3y ago
  That looks like non-generative AI to me.
version_five 3y ago
This reminds me a bit of Renfield (or Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters) waiting for Dracula/Gozer to come. A little over the top, and not something you'd normally see about anything that wasn't a massive hype wave (not that I'd want to be around when The Traveler arrives)
- ryanklee 3y ago
  I totally disagree. The capabilities speak for themselves, no need for any hype agents.
  - version_five 3y ago
    Serious question then, why are you posting about it?
    - ryanklee 3y ago
      Are people not generally inclined to engage in conversation around topics that interest them?
red-iron-pine 3y ago
These idiotic hot takes will be washed away by the veritable ocean of piss that will be uniquely generated AI generated hot takes designed to constantly spam / market / propagandize. The level of bullshit will be unparalleled. Because of AI.
- ryanklee 3y ago
  Just one side of the coin. On the other almost all legitimate knowledge work is going to have a whole mass of previously onerous requirements rendered trivial.
beepbooptheory 3y ago
Please read the article before commenting.

throwawa14223 3y ago

The same people pushing coins are pushing 'AI'.

Robotbeat 3y ago
You’re over-fitting. Hype maximizers will hype everything, fundamentally useful or not. They are not a discriminating signal for whether or not something is useful.
brokencode 3y ago
I’ve yet to hear a really compelling use case for cryptocurrency that doesn’t seem like it’d be better solved in some other way. It’s incredibly obvious how AI tools can be applied to many different problems. So even if it’s the same people “pushing” both, that doesn’t mean they are the same. These people are tech enthusiasts who want to make money, and they will be excited by any promising new tech.
- whywhywhywhy 3y ago
  >I’ve yet to hear a really compelling use case for cryptocurrency that doesn’t seem like it’d be better solved in some other way. Getting your life savings out of a warzone
  - brokencode 3y ago
    Are there examples where this is possible but other forms of transfer are not possible? From my experience working with crypto exchanges, there are a lot of regulations and processes that make them just as slow as a bank in a pinch. And if your country is war torn, I find it unlikely any exchanges would even operate effectively there. This type of use mostly seems like a crypto bro fantasy to me, but I’d definitely be interested to see some reporting on this actually working.
ben_w 3y ago
That scammers who pushed the former are now pushing the latter, doesn't tell you much about the future. ChatGPT is, IMO, about the same value as a freshly graduated programmer — it would be a mistake to let it loose unsupervised, but on the other hand, what do junior devs cost to hire these days?
ftxbro 3y ago
Nah I made this account with its ftxbro name to make fun of them and you can even see the first comment I made on the account. I think cryptocurrency and nft speculation is some beanie babies stuff, but I think large language models as trained on the whole internet with these data centers full of sci-fi GPGPUs are amazing transformative tools at the level of the discovery of fire or the invention of language.
- ryanklee 3y ago
  I completely agree with you. The only way this isn't true is if progress ceases because of some kind of socioeconomic catastrophy. We have already gotten over whatever hurdles there were that made supernnormal AI capability look potentially intractable. I don't think your comparisons to civilization butressing inventions like fire and writing and language (the last, to be fair, is an evolutionary invention, not a cultural one) are unfair or exagerrated. Things are about to get very strange in short order.

mjr00 3y ago

Do you have a specific example of "value transformation" where generative AI is going to have an impact?

ryanklee 3y ago
This question is totally baffling to me. Have you used these tools? The capabilities are astounding and dreamlike (and also a nightmare). I was born in the early 80s. There are only 2 other techno-socio moments in my life that have hit as hard: (1) the web around 1994, and (2) the smartphone. The appearance of the current iteration of generative AI for public consumption in the last few months dwarfs both. My own daily working patterns, expectations for my future, for my children's desirable skillsets have been entirely shifted. The entire value of generating information has been totally upended. If it can be created by AI -- and it's looking like most information-based things can/will be soon -- then humans now have a very different position in the world. Why I need to list any specifics at this point is beyond me. This is going to spread through the world like a fire.

dpflan 3y ago

I mean, this is pretty incredible: https://research.facebook.com/blog/2023/4/every-tree-counts-large-scale-mapping-of-canopy-height-at-the-resolution-of-individual-trees/ https://research.facebook.com/blog/2023/4/every-tree-counts-...

wesleychen 3y ago
That looks like non-generative AI to me.

version_five 3y ago

This reminds me a bit of Renfield (or Rick Moranis in Ghostbusters) waiting for Dracula/Gozer to come. A little over the top, and not something you'd normally see about anything that wasn't a massive hype wave (not that I'd want to be around when The Traveler arrives)

ryanklee 3y ago
I totally disagree. The capabilities speak for themselves, no need for any hype agents.
- version_five 3y ago
  Serious question then, why are you posting about it?
  - ryanklee 3y ago
    Are people not generally inclined to engage in conversation around topics that interest them?

red-iron-pine 3y ago

These idiotic hot takes will be washed away by the veritable ocean of piss that will be uniquely generated AI generated hot takes designed to constantly spam / market / propagandize. The level of bullshit will be unparalleled. Because of AI.

ryanklee 3y ago
Just one side of the coin. On the other almost all legitimate knowledge work is going to have a whole mass of previously onerous requirements rendered trivial.

beepbooptheory 3y ago

Please read the article before commenting.