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The South of Italy stands to gain a lot from solar power. There is a generational chance to restore the fortunes of an impoverished region, leveraging cheap and

by toyg 4y ago

The South of Italy stands to gain a lot from solar power. There is a generational chance to restore the fortunes of an impoverished region, leveraging cheap and plentiful renewable energy like this guy is doing.

bombolo 4y ago
They get stolen like crazy.
- konschubert 4y ago
  There is no prosperity without rule of law.
  - bombolo 4y ago
    There is no rule of law when people are poor.
    - hbarka 4y ago
      You can be dirt poor and still be a moral person.
      - bombolo 4y ago
        I don't think it's immoral to steal if you need to.
    - sbaiddn 4y ago
      Thats not true. Take Afghanistan, it's hardly lawless. If anything poor peoples are the societies most intolerant towards crime.
thiago_fm 4y ago
Unfortunately it's an area mostly controlled by gangs without a presence of the police or the government. Maybe if there is interest from politicians and business people to make money there, those hanging issues could be fixed. I would love to move and live there if it wasn't for those issues, it's so fucking gorgeous and cheap.
- toyg 4y ago
  > it's an area mostly controlled by gangs That's an exaggeration. Yes, there are significant issues with organized crime, but not everywhere.
- oh_sigh 4y ago
  I think you overstate the gang/organized crime problem, and in any case, skimming from public/large private contracts is the bread and butter of groups like this.
- LtWorf 4y ago
  > Unfortunately it's an area mostly controlled by gangs without a presence of the police or the government. Just FYI, godfather wasn't a documentary. It was a film based on a book written by some american writer.
  - fathyb 4y ago
    I wouldn't go as far as OP but criminal gangs are not fiction. See 'Ndrangheta for example. > It is capable of heavily influencing local and national politics and infiltrating large sectors of the legal economy. In 2013 they purportedly made €53 billion, according to a study from Demoskopika Research Institute. A US diplomat estimated that the organization's drug trafficking, extortion and money laundering activities accounted for at least three percent of Italy's GDP in 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Ndrangheta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Ndrangheta
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      Yes crime exists. From there to say that it's a completely lawless state it's a big leap.
- imtringued 4y ago
  There are some cities that are well known mafia hotspots on Sicily but that is about it. It's a non-issue on Sardinia or the mainland.

by toyg 4y ago

bombolo 4y ago

They get stolen like crazy.

konschubert 4y ago
There is no prosperity without rule of law.
- bombolo 4y ago
  There is no rule of law when people are poor.
  - hbarka 4y ago
    You can be dirt poor and still be a moral person.
    - bombolo 4y ago
      I don't think it's immoral to steal if you need to.
  - sbaiddn 4y ago
    Thats not true. Take Afghanistan, it's hardly lawless. If anything poor peoples are the societies most intolerant towards crime.

thiago_fm 4y ago

Unfortunately it's an area mostly controlled by gangs without a presence of the police or the government. Maybe if there is interest from politicians and business people to make money there, those hanging issues could be fixed. I would love to move and live there if it wasn't for those issues, it's so fucking gorgeous and cheap.

toyg 4y ago
> it's an area mostly controlled by gangs That's an exaggeration. Yes, there are significant issues with organized crime, but not everywhere.
oh_sigh 4y ago
I think you overstate the gang/organized crime problem, and in any case, skimming from public/large private contracts is the bread and butter of groups like this.
LtWorf 4y ago
> Unfortunately it's an area mostly controlled by gangs without a presence of the police or the government. Just FYI, godfather wasn't a documentary. It was a film based on a book written by some american writer.
- fathyb 4y ago
  I wouldn't go as far as OP but criminal gangs are not fiction. See 'Ndrangheta for example. > It is capable of heavily influencing local and national politics and infiltrating large sectors of the legal economy. In 2013 they purportedly made €53 billion, according to a study from Demoskopika Research Institute. A US diplomat estimated that the organization's drug trafficking, extortion and money laundering activities accounted for at least three percent of Italy's GDP in 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Ndrangheta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27Ndrangheta
  - LtWorf 4y ago
    Yes crime exists. From there to say that it's a completely lawless state it's a big leap.
imtringued 4y ago
There are some cities that are well known mafia hotspots on Sicily but that is about it. It's a non-issue on Sardinia or the mainland.