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I don’t know whether it’s the medium or the current offerings but I was gifted an Oculus, played with it for under a week, and haven’t gone back to it. Maybe VR

I don’t know whether it’s the medium or the current offerings but I was gifted an Oculus, played with it for under a week, and haven’t gone back to it. Maybe VR will be a thing in the future but somehow I’m not seeing it now. Anyone else in a similar boat? Or have a theory why it’s less compelling than a traditional gaming console?

abraxas 3y ago
To each their own. I don't really like gaming but given the choice I will pick up the VR headset rather than play on the screen. I like VR for rhythm and workout games. Those are far less compelling on a flat screen with stuff like wii
- andsoitis 3y ago
  > I like VR for rhythm and workout games. Is that jumping around the room with a tethered VR helmet on your head and face? How long are you able to do that for in one session? Asking because I play Horizon on PS 5 with PSVR2 (it is fantastic experience), but can do it for 30mins maybe 45mins tops in a session, before I feel ill.
  - abraxas 3y ago
    I'm not particularly prone to motion sickness so I usually end the session when I'm too tired to continue. That said I rarely play any titles that don't have 1 to 1 movement tracking or teleportation
  - Auracle 3y ago
    Keep in mind the Quest works standalone, so no tether. Also, games where you’re the one moving tend not to give people motion sickness. Games where you’re controlling movement with a thumb stick are what does it - or a poor frame rate.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    Tethered? You know what a Quest is right? I use my quest daily. It really is a good workout. My average workout time is 45 minutes, but I can go a couple of hours or so before the battery gives out, the weight on my head isn’t much if an issue. Getting corrective VR lenses helped a-lot to make it usable. I just play BeatSaber and FitXR, so no jumping around the room; I don’t really have the space to play anything that requires moving around the room and not running into something. Lots of squats though, so it’s like an aerobic workout class.
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    - andsoitis 3y ago
      > Tethered? Don’t take it literally. Being tethered can mean physically with a cable, but it can also mean you’re virtually confined (think a virtual box that you cannot leave). So for instance, can you take your play outside? My understanding is no, because direct sunlight can destroy the lenses so Meta advises against it: https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/headsets-and-accessories/product-care-and-best-practices/avoiding-sunlight-damage/ https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/headsets-and-access... Exercise is good, fun, more expansive, a fuller experience outside than inside.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        The best exercise is the exercise you actually do. If you enjoy running in the rain, great, if you like doing aerobics in your house.m, all great. Even if the Quest isn’t good for you, it doesn’t mean it’s not good for someone else. You can pry my Quest from my cold dead hands.
thatguy0900 3y ago
The only game I found that was more than a brief novelty is beat Sabre. With mods for custom songs it is very replayable. Google earth, funnily enough, is my second most used game. Very good for chilling in scenic spots or wondering around foreign countries. Google spotlight stories are also very good if you didn't try them, I can see a future in vr movies very clearly while watching them. My theory as to why there isn't good games is that vr is difficult to stream, and the target market of gamers are not the kind to want to be active for extended periods.
CharlesW 3y ago
> Or have a theory why it’s less compelling than a traditional gaming console? My kids enjoy their Quests, but use is fairly rare in comparison to their iPads and PCs. I just asked my daughter why she plays it less, and she says it's because (1) there are fewer games she's interested in, (2) battery life is poor (and so sessions are shorter than they are on alternatives), and (3) it's uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time. Honestly, I don't think we'll be upgrading to Quest 2 or whatever comes after. The whole "forced Facebook logins" thing left a bad taste in my mouth and caused problems that took their support folks weeks to untangle. Our current thinking is that we'll just wait for Apple to do it right.
super256 3y ago
I know people who basically live in VRChat (outside work) and use it as a substitute for real life interaction. I doubt it’s healthy, but it seems to work for them.
- andsoitis 3y ago
  How do you interact with them?
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cbo100 3y ago
I still use my original rift for sim racing. It's brilliant, and much more convenient than trying to setup 3 or 4 monitors instead. I have no interest in a metaverse or social vr activities. On its own, with consistent simple hardware improvements the CV1 would have been a decently profitable business by most other companies' standards and done well enough to keep going. Facebook/SV trying to turn VR into something it's not ready to be, and that nobody is particularly interested in, in the hope of turning it into a mega multi billion dollar venture worthy of them is what has made it no fun and is just wasted money.
- grepfru_it 3y ago
  I think team survival games with PvE and PvP elements would be lots of fun in a VR setting. GTA:5 gave us a pretty good glimpse at what online social activities could look like. Hanging out in someone's apartment, going for a race in the drainage system of the city, playing golf, etc. My thought of a "metaverse" is like LambdaMOO, a rich environment to start from and completely extendable and customizable. Does that cost $30B+ to build? I don't know.
sickcodebruh 3y ago
I don’t have one but this made me think of something that might be in a similar ballpark. I play guitar and write songs. I use my computer to help with this. Over the years, I’ve had: * a little amp with a microphone that connects to my audio interface * 1 watt tube amp built for recording, made by the same company that makes my incredible 120 watt monster amp for live performance, plugs straight into my audio interface for silent recording * a high end digital amp used by pros for live and recording, I can use it AS the interface but it’s bigger than the hardware that lives on my desk I still go back to the software amp simulation, a plugin running in the recording software I use for composition, because it’s quicker and easier to plug the guitar straight into audio interface and go. It doesn’t sound as good as my Fractal FM9 but it’s still great, it makes me happy, and it demands less time/space/effort than all the others. Unless I’m pursuing something that I can only get from the “bigger and better solutions,” convenience always wins. VR strikes me as being in a similar place. Yes, it has a unique value. No, nothing is like it. But… my PS5 through my 4K TV and home theater is extremely sick AND I can just pickup a controller and go!
- agentwiggles 3y ago
  I have one of Fender's Mustang amps, and one feature I really love is that it has a built in audio interface. It sits on my desk and is constantly plugged in to my machine, so if I'm ever noodling and want to start recording in GarageBand I can have a track going in like 30 seconds. It's really nice to have an interface that doesn't require me to try to route audio through my computer. It just works exactly like a (slightly complicated) regular amp all the time, and behaves exactly the same while recording as it does when it's not. It's got all kinds of built in amp sims and effects, but I play it on the same setting about 95% of the time (I've never been much for tone chasing). But it also has a built in looper, which I use all the time. I really love the thing, great piece of hardware. It's got some warts but nothing I can't work around.
SheinhardtWigCo 3y ago
Visual fidelity. Today's top-tier HMDs produce garbage visuals, relative to top-tier gaming consoles.
seanmcdirmid 3y ago
The Quest sucks as a gaming console as far as I can tell. I still use it everyday, but just for VR fitness stuff. I have a Switch for gaming. Maybe someone will eventually come up with a casual game that can work for VR that isn’t just slicing things up to music (which is fine, but it feels more like relaxed exercise than anything with progression).

abraxas 3y ago

To each their own. I don't really like gaming but given the choice I will pick up the VR headset rather than play on the screen. I like VR for rhythm and workout games. Those are far less compelling on a flat screen with stuff like wii

andsoitis 3y ago
> I like VR for rhythm and workout games. Is that jumping around the room with a tethered VR helmet on your head and face? How long are you able to do that for in one session? Asking because I play Horizon on PS 5 with PSVR2 (it is fantastic experience), but can do it for 30mins maybe 45mins tops in a session, before I feel ill.
- abraxas 3y ago
  I'm not particularly prone to motion sickness so I usually end the session when I'm too tired to continue. That said I rarely play any titles that don't have 1 to 1 movement tracking or teleportation
- Auracle 3y ago
  Keep in mind the Quest works standalone, so no tether. Also, games where you’re the one moving tend not to give people motion sickness. Games where you’re controlling movement with a thumb stick are what does it - or a poor frame rate.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Tethered? You know what a Quest is right? I use my quest daily. It really is a good workout. My average workout time is 45 minutes, but I can go a couple of hours or so before the battery gives out, the weight on my head isn’t much if an issue. Getting corrective VR lenses helped a-lot to make it usable. I just play BeatSaber and FitXR, so no jumping around the room; I don’t really have the space to play anything that requires moving around the room and not running into something. Lots of squats though, so it’s like an aerobic workout class.
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  - andsoitis 3y ago
    > Tethered? Don’t take it literally. Being tethered can mean physically with a cable, but it can also mean you’re virtually confined (think a virtual box that you cannot leave). So for instance, can you take your play outside? My understanding is no, because direct sunlight can destroy the lenses so Meta advises against it: https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/headsets-and-accessories/product-care-and-best-practices/avoiding-sunlight-damage/ https://www.meta.com/help/quest/articles/headsets-and-access... Exercise is good, fun, more expansive, a fuller experience outside than inside.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      The best exercise is the exercise you actually do. If you enjoy running in the rain, great, if you like doing aerobics in your house.m, all great. Even if the Quest isn’t good for you, it doesn’t mean it’s not good for someone else. You can pry my Quest from my cold dead hands.

thatguy0900 3y ago

The only game I found that was more than a brief novelty is beat Sabre. With mods for custom songs it is very replayable. Google earth, funnily enough, is my second most used game. Very good for chilling in scenic spots or wondering around foreign countries. Google spotlight stories are also very good if you didn't try them, I can see a future in vr movies very clearly while watching them. My theory as to why there isn't good games is that vr is difficult to stream, and the target market of gamers are not the kind to want to be active for extended periods.

CharlesW 3y ago

> Or have a theory why it’s less compelling than a traditional gaming console? My kids enjoy their Quests, but use is fairly rare in comparison to their iPads and PCs. I just asked my daughter why she plays it less, and she says it's because (1) there are fewer games she's interested in, (2) battery life is poor (and so sessions are shorter than they are on alternatives), and (3) it's uncomfortable to wear for long periods of time. Honestly, I don't think we'll be upgrading to Quest 2 or whatever comes after. The whole "forced Facebook logins" thing left a bad taste in my mouth and caused problems that took their support folks weeks to untangle. Our current thinking is that we'll just wait for Apple to do it right.

super256 3y ago

I know people who basically live in VRChat (outside work) and use it as a substitute for real life interaction. I doubt it’s healthy, but it seems to work for them.

andsoitis 3y ago
How do you interact with them?
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cbo100 3y ago

I still use my original rift for sim racing. It's brilliant, and much more convenient than trying to setup 3 or 4 monitors instead. I have no interest in a metaverse or social vr activities. On its own, with consistent simple hardware improvements the CV1 would have been a decently profitable business by most other companies' standards and done well enough to keep going. Facebook/SV trying to turn VR into something it's not ready to be, and that nobody is particularly interested in, in the hope of turning it into a mega multi billion dollar venture worthy of them is what has made it no fun and is just wasted money.

grepfru_it 3y ago
I think team survival games with PvE and PvP elements would be lots of fun in a VR setting. GTA:5 gave us a pretty good glimpse at what online social activities could look like. Hanging out in someone's apartment, going for a race in the drainage system of the city, playing golf, etc. My thought of a "metaverse" is like LambdaMOO, a rich environment to start from and completely extendable and customizable. Does that cost $30B+ to build? I don't know.

sickcodebruh 3y ago

I don’t have one but this made me think of something that might be in a similar ballpark. I play guitar and write songs. I use my computer to help with this. Over the years, I’ve had: * a little amp with a microphone that connects to my audio interface * 1 watt tube amp built for recording, made by the same company that makes my incredible 120 watt monster amp for live performance, plugs straight into my audio interface for silent recording * a high end digital amp used by pros for live and recording, I can use it AS the interface but it’s bigger than the hardware that lives on my desk I still go back to the software amp simulation, a plugin running in the recording software I use for composition, because it’s quicker and easier to plug the guitar straight into audio interface and go. It doesn’t sound as good as my Fractal FM9 but it’s still great, it makes me happy, and it demands less time/space/effort than all the others. Unless I’m pursuing something that I can only get from the “bigger and better solutions,” convenience always wins. VR strikes me as being in a similar place. Yes, it has a unique value. No, nothing is like it. But… my PS5 through my 4K TV and home theater is extremely sick AND I can just pickup a controller and go!

agentwiggles 3y ago
I have one of Fender's Mustang amps, and one feature I really love is that it has a built in audio interface. It sits on my desk and is constantly plugged in to my machine, so if I'm ever noodling and want to start recording in GarageBand I can have a track going in like 30 seconds. It's really nice to have an interface that doesn't require me to try to route audio through my computer. It just works exactly like a (slightly complicated) regular amp all the time, and behaves exactly the same while recording as it does when it's not. It's got all kinds of built in amp sims and effects, but I play it on the same setting about 95% of the time (I've never been much for tone chasing). But it also has a built in looper, which I use all the time. I really love the thing, great piece of hardware. It's got some warts but nothing I can't work around.

SheinhardtWigCo 3y ago

Visual fidelity. Today's top-tier HMDs produce garbage visuals, relative to top-tier gaming consoles.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

The Quest sucks as a gaming console as far as I can tell. I still use it everyday, but just for VR fitness stuff. I have a Switch for gaming. Maybe someone will eventually come up with a casual game that can work for VR that isn’t just slicing things up to music (which is fine, but it feels more like relaxed exercise than anything with progression).