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Just the fastest and most ergonomic browser I've tried. I wish Firefox was like Brave, to be honest. Until that happens, I'll stick to Brave for both mobile an

Just the fastest and most ergonomic browser I've tried. I wish Firefox was like Brave, to be honest. Until that happens, I'll stick to Brave for both mobile and desktop.

jraph 3y ago
This submission is about a search engine, not a browser. What's to be like the Brave browser for you? You don't say much.
caycep 3y ago
I use both. Brave is better for the "chromium only" wonky websites/webapps. But the whole altruistic privacy thing is kind of undercut, at least optics-wise, by all the crypto/gamification upsell present by default. Not good when your supposedly privacy-focused browser requires extensive fiddling in the settings to shut everything off on initial install a-la Windows 11...
- jacooper 3y ago
  Honestly its very easy to ignore all the crypto crap. And its much better for your average user, since he/she will be private by just using brave, without any tinkering.
- ThunderSizzle 3y ago
  It's a little odd to be concerned about privacy focus on a post-Windows 10 os.
  - Jorengarenar 3y ago
    They said Brave behaves like W11...
- timbit42 3y ago
  Why did you enable the crypto features if you don't want them? Oh. You didn't? Then what are you complaining about?
  - Barrin92 3y ago
    They're everywhere by default. When I tried Brave out they had a wallet that popped up in the toolbar you seemingly can't uninstall, there's some sort crypto token reward thing (that you can't get rid of on mobile), on the new tab page there's sponsored crypto ads, and disabling this stuff, intentionally I suppose, is the only thing that does not sync so it always pops up on every new device. Not since the early 2000s when browsers were infested with random toolbars have I seen so much shady spam in a web browser.
    - somenameforme 3y ago
      The crypto stuff is opt-in only, including on mobile. If you accidentally enabled it, you can disable it by clicking on the settings icon and going to 'Brave Rewards' and turning off 'Brave Private Ads.'
      - AlotOfReading 3y ago
        This comment was completely incongruous with my previous Brave experiences, so I went ahead and did a fresh install on a clean system. * The wallet is enabled by default. * The new tab page shows crypto ads by default. I couldn't figure out how to opt-out of these despite a couple of minutes in the "customize dashboard" menu. I know the option exists, but it's well-hidden. * The BAT rewards icon is enabled by default, as well as the new tab card, as well as injected tip buttons on Github, Reddit, and Twitter. * BAT rewards itself is not enabled by default, but there are no less than 3 distinct notifications asking me to enable it. * Brave news is not enabled, but again there are multiple requests to enable it hidden throughout various menus. It's also not clear how Brave news interacts with Brave rewards. If I only enable news, do I still get the in-feed ads without the reward sharing, or is the news feed ad-free, or will only certain ad channels be shown? So no, the crypto stuff is not opt-in. It's mostly opt-out with the BAT rewards program specifically being opt-in.
        soundnote 3y ago
        > * The new tab page shows crypto ads by default. I couldn't figure out how to opt-out of these despite a couple of minutes in the "customize dashboard" menu. I know the option exists, but it's well-hidden. Customize->Background image. Has a total of two switches. One for background images at all, the other for sponsored background images. Turn the second one off.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  You can literally disable the ads in Brave. I've never seen any other advertiser offer that option.
  - caycep 3y ago
    I would say defaults matter, and say a lot about priorities. I don't want to be judgmental about their funding model, but to have all of that turned on, after a fresh install, and in your face, by default...
HeckFeck 3y ago
It is ergonomic until you want to send more than one tab using Brave sync. Also Ctrl + B to show the bookmarks sidebar would be nice, for those of us who nest their web clippings deeply. On the iOS app, it also forgets usernames I’ve stored using password sync. For some sites (criteria unclear) I have to type the username before it inserts the password, which is frustrating to a privacy conscious user who will not use the same email address everywhere. I want to like it but there are power user pleasing areas where it certainly lags behind Firefox.
- jonathansampson 3y ago
  In Brave, you can select the Bookmarks panel from the side bar, and then toggle it open/closed from then on with Ctrl+B. Regarding iOS, it's entirely possible there's a bug in our code. I'll definitely take a closer look and speak with the team regarding this report. That said, it's also not entirely uncommon for users to enter a site through a slightly different URL, or form, which complicates the credential-autofill logic. If you have an example or two of sites where this behavior is consistently observed, that would be much appreciated.
  - HeckFeck 3y ago
    Ah, tried Ctrl+B with the mini side bar already open and found it works. Thanks. The two recent culprits that didn't toggle password autofill were eBay.co.uk and Gumtree.co.uk. I'd be grateful it if this could be investigated; the latter prevented me from checking an address in the Gumtree PMs whilst on the road delivering a purchase. On the issue of sending multiple tabs, it is frustrating enough that it prevents me from adopting Brave as my main browser. I often open a few sites that interest me on mobile then decide to read more on my desktop. If you could pass the word along for someone to investigate that, all the better. With that said, it's commendable being the only browser on iOS with first class advert blocking & sync with every other platform.
causi 3y ago
I don't see why anyone would pick Brave over Vivaldi, especially on mobile.
- soundnote 3y ago
  Brave's blockers are better, the browser performs better, and I like the native Chromium tab groups more than Vivaldi's tab stacks. Brave also had background media playback on mobile long before Vivaldi, who only got it in the latest update. Vivaldi's fine, and it's what I'd use if Brave didn't exist, but I just like the experience of using Brave more, especially on desktop. Vivaldi's new mobile version, from what I've seen, has clarified their old mobile UI a lot and got background media playback, so that's less of an issue.
- colordrops 3y ago
  Because brave is open source and Vivaldi is not.
- UberFly 3y ago
  I do really like Vivaldi on mobile - customizes perfectly for my needs. Have no reason to mistrust them regarding their proprietary chromium gui.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  Vivaldi user here. Excellent browser. But I still really miss Opera from the old days. Vivaldi is the next best thing.
- sphars 3y ago
  I used Vivaldi for a good year or two on my machines, but after some point Vivaldi was so slow to launch and to navigate. Maybe it was my setup, but other browsers were quick launch and use. Been using FF for several months now, maybe they fixed the issues in Vivaldi since.
  - eviks 3y ago
    Vivaldi has this issue with many tabs slowing down the whole UI, but the new v6 feature of workspaces allows you to move some tabs to a WS group, that improves UI performance But yeah, that's one of their biggest issues
rvz 3y ago
The Mozilla CEO is to blame for the chaos they caused around Firefox, and them losing market share to Chrome for the past 14 years. Mozilla is so dysfunctional that the CEO is rewarded a massive bonus for running the company to the ground and laying off their employees. They are not interested in competing against Chrome; instead they are chronically dependent on Google's money and on life support, making over 80% of their revenue despite the Mozilla CEO saying that they would not fully depend on Google's money. in the future. [0] I hope Brave makes Firefox (and Mozilla) even more irrelevant. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9044160/Mozilla_can_live_without_Google_s_money_Baker_says_ https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.compu...
- cubefox 3y ago
  Mitchell Baker's salary is outrageous.
  - autoexec 3y ago
    Wow, think of what just a little of that 5 million could buy in terms of bug fixes!
  - robocat 3y ago
    Mozilla Foundation Total revenue: 600 million Salaries and benefits - management & general: 81 million https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-2021-fs-final-1010.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-202...
- usefulcat 3y ago
  > I hope Brave makes Firefox (and Mozilla) even more irrelevant. I get that you hate Mozilla, but from the perspective of an end user of browsers, this is a deeply irrational position. Less competition in the browser space is uniformly bad for end users, as we've seen very clearly in the past.
  - Karunamon 3y ago
    Note that competition in the browser space is different from competition in the engine space. Even then, Chromium remains open source, we already see things like Brave committing to not shipping the adblock-killing extension changes that Google is pushing. As to Mozilla, their combination of incompetence, user-hostility, and complete dependence on Google renders them controlled opposition at best. They are not a serious player in the browser space, continuing to treat them like one is directing limited resources and mind share into a failing enterprise.
darreninthenet 3y ago
Have they sorted out the bookmark syncing? When I tried Brave a few years ago I went back to Chrome (and now FF) as the bookmark syncing functionality would frequently go out of sync for hours on different browser installs.
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sundarurfriend 3y ago
My experience has been the opposite. I wish Brave was more like Firefox. I have Brave installed as an alternate browser (originally because sites like Twitch and Netflix performed poorly on Firefox, not so much the case anymore). And there's a noticeable lag when switching tabs that's absent in Firefox. And the memory usage - Brave uses as much memory with 10 tabs open as Firefox does with 100. It seems like "unloaded" tabs are not really unloaded at all, and continue to take up memory (which makes you question what unloading does) as long as the browser remains open. I'm not sure what you mean by ergonomic, but I've been spoiled by Firefox's openness to customization, it was shocking to find that you can't even customize the toolbar on Brave to have your frequently used features handy.
- jonathansampson 3y ago
  You can always check the internal task manager to see which tabs/extensions/child-processes are using the most resources. To do so, visit › More Tools › Task Manager in the browser, or press Shift+Esc.
bigtex 3y ago
Well the guy who started Brave used to head up Firefox before the employees revolted and demanded he be fired over politics.
- PpEY4fu85hkQpn 3y ago
  "politics" is one way to describe him donating a large sum of money to a bigoted anti-gay cause and losing the trust of his employees.
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    Yeah, but ... It was a political effort. It was a movement that used the existing mechanism to promote a law they wanted, not a mob trying to get their way by shouting down others. You may not like how the process works, but it works the same for everyone. Trying to smear the ones you don't agree with as not legitimate doesn't work, because it's the process that you're smearing.
    - komali2 3y ago
      I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law." It sounds like your biggest priority in determining ethicality is legality: did anything illegal happen in the "cancellation" of the Brave founder? (I know nothing about this event, I'm just commenting within the context of this short conversation). If not, how then are you determining one method being better than another?
      - lelanthran 3y ago
        > I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law." If there is a legal and approved method for getting a law, why is forming a mob the same as using the official method?
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JenrHywy 3y ago
I really like Brave, and use it on mobile, but container tabs is still the killer Firefox feature for me on desktop. Hopefully one day Brave will get the equivalent.
- factormeta 3y ago
  just make new profiles
  - JenrHywy 3y ago
    For every tab I open? Nah

Just the fastest and most ergonomic browser I've tried. I wish Firefox was like Brave, to be honest. Until that happens, I'll stick to Brave for both mobile and desktop.

jraph 3y ago

This submission is about a search engine, not a browser. What's to be like the Brave browser for you? You don't say much.

caycep 3y ago

I use both. Brave is better for the "chromium only" wonky websites/webapps. But the whole altruistic privacy thing is kind of undercut, at least optics-wise, by all the crypto/gamification upsell present by default. Not good when your supposedly privacy-focused browser requires extensive fiddling in the settings to shut everything off on initial install a-la Windows 11...

jacooper 3y ago
Honestly its very easy to ignore all the crypto crap. And its much better for your average user, since he/she will be private by just using brave, without any tinkering.
ThunderSizzle 3y ago
It's a little odd to be concerned about privacy focus on a post-Windows 10 os.
- Jorengarenar 3y ago
  They said Brave behaves like W11...
timbit42 3y ago
Why did you enable the crypto features if you don't want them? Oh. You didn't? Then what are you complaining about?
- Barrin92 3y ago
  They're everywhere by default. When I tried Brave out they had a wallet that popped up in the toolbar you seemingly can't uninstall, there's some sort crypto token reward thing (that you can't get rid of on mobile), on the new tab page there's sponsored crypto ads, and disabling this stuff, intentionally I suppose, is the only thing that does not sync so it always pops up on every new device. Not since the early 2000s when browsers were infested with random toolbars have I seen so much shady spam in a web browser.
  - somenameforme 3y ago
    The crypto stuff is opt-in only, including on mobile. If you accidentally enabled it, you can disable it by clicking on the settings icon and going to 'Brave Rewards' and turning off 'Brave Private Ads.'
    - AlotOfReading 3y ago
      This comment was completely incongruous with my previous Brave experiences, so I went ahead and did a fresh install on a clean system. * The wallet is enabled by default. * The new tab page shows crypto ads by default. I couldn't figure out how to opt-out of these despite a couple of minutes in the "customize dashboard" menu. I know the option exists, but it's well-hidden. * The BAT rewards icon is enabled by default, as well as the new tab card, as well as injected tip buttons on Github, Reddit, and Twitter. * BAT rewards itself is not enabled by default, but there are no less than 3 distinct notifications asking me to enable it. * Brave news is not enabled, but again there are multiple requests to enable it hidden throughout various menus. It's also not clear how Brave news interacts with Brave rewards. If I only enable news, do I still get the in-feed ads without the reward sharing, or is the news feed ad-free, or will only certain ad channels be shown? So no, the crypto stuff is not opt-in. It's mostly opt-out with the BAT rewards program specifically being opt-in.
      - soundnote 3y ago
        > * The new tab page shows crypto ads by default. I couldn't figure out how to opt-out of these despite a couple of minutes in the "customize dashboard" menu. I know the option exists, but it's well-hidden. Customize->Background image. Has a total of two switches. One for background images at all, the other for sponsored background images. Turn the second one off.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
You can literally disable the ads in Brave. I've never seen any other advertiser offer that option.
- caycep 3y ago
  I would say defaults matter, and say a lot about priorities. I don't want to be judgmental about their funding model, but to have all of that turned on, after a fresh install, and in your face, by default...

HeckFeck 3y ago

It is ergonomic until you want to send more than one tab using Brave sync. Also Ctrl + B to show the bookmarks sidebar would be nice, for those of us who nest their web clippings deeply. On the iOS app, it also forgets usernames I’ve stored using password sync. For some sites (criteria unclear) I have to type the username before it inserts the password, which is frustrating to a privacy conscious user who will not use the same email address everywhere. I want to like it but there are power user pleasing areas where it certainly lags behind Firefox.

jonathansampson 3y ago
In Brave, you can select the Bookmarks panel from the side bar, and then toggle it open/closed from then on with Ctrl+B. Regarding iOS, it's entirely possible there's a bug in our code. I'll definitely take a closer look and speak with the team regarding this report. That said, it's also not entirely uncommon for users to enter a site through a slightly different URL, or form, which complicates the credential-autofill logic. If you have an example or two of sites where this behavior is consistently observed, that would be much appreciated.
- HeckFeck 3y ago
  Ah, tried Ctrl+B with the mini side bar already open and found it works. Thanks. The two recent culprits that didn't toggle password autofill were eBay.co.uk and Gumtree.co.uk. I'd be grateful it if this could be investigated; the latter prevented me from checking an address in the Gumtree PMs whilst on the road delivering a purchase. On the issue of sending multiple tabs, it is frustrating enough that it prevents me from adopting Brave as my main browser. I often open a few sites that interest me on mobile then decide to read more on my desktop. If you could pass the word along for someone to investigate that, all the better. With that said, it's commendable being the only browser on iOS with first class advert blocking & sync with every other platform.

causi 3y ago

I don't see why anyone would pick Brave over Vivaldi, especially on mobile.

soundnote 3y ago
Brave's blockers are better, the browser performs better, and I like the native Chromium tab groups more than Vivaldi's tab stacks. Brave also had background media playback on mobile long before Vivaldi, who only got it in the latest update. Vivaldi's fine, and it's what I'd use if Brave didn't exist, but I just like the experience of using Brave more, especially on desktop. Vivaldi's new mobile version, from what I've seen, has clarified their old mobile UI a lot and got background media playback, so that's less of an issue.
colordrops 3y ago
Because brave is open source and Vivaldi is not.
UberFly 3y ago
I do really like Vivaldi on mobile - customizes perfectly for my needs. Have no reason to mistrust them regarding their proprietary chromium gui.
surgical_fire 3y ago
Vivaldi user here. Excellent browser. But I still really miss Opera from the old days. Vivaldi is the next best thing.
sphars 3y ago
I used Vivaldi for a good year or two on my machines, but after some point Vivaldi was so slow to launch and to navigate. Maybe it was my setup, but other browsers were quick launch and use. Been using FF for several months now, maybe they fixed the issues in Vivaldi since.
- eviks 3y ago
  Vivaldi has this issue with many tabs slowing down the whole UI, but the new v6 feature of workspaces allows you to move some tabs to a WS group, that improves UI performance But yeah, that's one of their biggest issues

rvz 3y ago

The Mozilla CEO is to blame for the chaos they caused around Firefox, and them losing market share to Chrome for the past 14 years. Mozilla is so dysfunctional that the CEO is rewarded a massive bonus for running the company to the ground and laying off their employees. They are not interested in competing against Chrome; instead they are chronically dependent on Google's money and on life support, making over 80% of their revenue despite the Mozilla CEO saying that they would not fully depend on Google's money. in the future. [0] I hope Brave makes Firefox (and Mozilla) even more irrelevant. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9044160/Mozilla_can_live_without_Google_s_money_Baker_says_ https://web.archive.org/web/20120105090543/https://www.compu...

cubefox 3y ago
Mitchell Baker's salary is outrageous.
- autoexec 3y ago
  Wow, think of what just a little of that 5 million could buy in terms of bug fixes!
- robocat 3y ago
  Mozilla Foundation Total revenue: 600 million Salaries and benefits - management & general: 81 million https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-2021-fs-final-1010.pdf https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2021/mozilla-fdn-202...
usefulcat 3y ago
> I hope Brave makes Firefox (and Mozilla) even more irrelevant. I get that you hate Mozilla, but from the perspective of an end user of browsers, this is a deeply irrational position. Less competition in the browser space is uniformly bad for end users, as we've seen very clearly in the past.
- Karunamon 3y ago
  Note that competition in the browser space is different from competition in the engine space. Even then, Chromium remains open source, we already see things like Brave committing to not shipping the adblock-killing extension changes that Google is pushing. As to Mozilla, their combination of incompetence, user-hostility, and complete dependence on Google renders them controlled opposition at best. They are not a serious player in the browser space, continuing to treat them like one is directing limited resources and mind share into a failing enterprise.

darreninthenet 3y ago

Have they sorted out the bookmark syncing? When I tried Brave a few years ago I went back to Chrome (and now FF) as the bookmark syncing functionality would frequently go out of sync for hours on different browser installs.

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sundarurfriend 3y ago

My experience has been the opposite. I wish Brave was more like Firefox. I have Brave installed as an alternate browser (originally because sites like Twitch and Netflix performed poorly on Firefox, not so much the case anymore). And there's a noticeable lag when switching tabs that's absent in Firefox. And the memory usage - Brave uses as much memory with 10 tabs open as Firefox does with 100. It seems like "unloaded" tabs are not really unloaded at all, and continue to take up memory (which makes you question what unloading does) as long as the browser remains open. I'm not sure what you mean by ergonomic, but I've been spoiled by Firefox's openness to customization, it was shocking to find that you can't even customize the toolbar on Brave to have your frequently used features handy.

jonathansampson 3y ago
You can always check the internal task manager to see which tabs/extensions/child-processes are using the most resources. To do so, visit › More Tools › Task Manager in the browser, or press Shift+Esc.

bigtex 3y ago

Well the guy who started Brave used to head up Firefox before the employees revolted and demanded he be fired over politics.

PpEY4fu85hkQpn 3y ago
"politics" is one way to describe him donating a large sum of money to a bigoted anti-gay cause and losing the trust of his employees.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  Yeah, but ... It was a political effort. It was a movement that used the existing mechanism to promote a law they wanted, not a mob trying to get their way by shouting down others. You may not like how the process works, but it works the same for everyone. Trying to smear the ones you don't agree with as not legitimate doesn't work, because it's the process that you're smearing.
  - komali2 3y ago
    I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law." It sounds like your biggest priority in determining ethicality is legality: did anything illegal happen in the "cancellation" of the Brave founder? (I know nothing about this event, I'm just commenting within the context of this short conversation). If not, how then are you determining one method being better than another?
    - lelanthran 3y ago
      > I don't think this comment is internally consistent. I don't see any difference between "using the existing mechanism to promote a law" and "shouting down others to promote a law." If there is a legal and approved method for getting a law, why is forming a mob the same as using the official method?

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JenrHywy 3y ago

I really like Brave, and use it on mobile, but container tabs is still the killer Firefox feature for me on desktop. Hopefully one day Brave will get the equivalent.

factormeta 3y ago
just make new profiles
- JenrHywy 3y ago
  For every tab I open? Nah