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I've deliberately sought the DVD edition of the unaltered original trilogy. The editing that makes Greedo shoot first looks cheap. It also doesn't make sense; s

I've deliberately sought the DVD edition of the unaltered original trilogy. The editing that makes Greedo shoot first looks cheap. It also doesn't make sense; someone pointing a gun at you is a clear sign of intent, and Han was simply defending himself. Han's decision to shoot first was also in line with his character as the rogue for hire. Agh, I know the series is still raking in millions. But I can't enjoy the edits because my brain cries 'blasphmeny!'

philwelch 3y ago
Entertainment media seem to have significantly different use-of-force standards than any real life legal or moral statutes. Maybe because the drama of protracted Mexican standoffs would be undercut if people reacted realistically to having guns pointed at them. The Greedo scene has been tweaked multiple times. In the most recent version available on Disney+ (confirmed to be Lucas’ work), Greedo exclaims “macklunkey!” just before the shooting starts, which I find hilariously absurd.
ReptileMan 3y ago
The whole point is that Han Solo is badass. So he doesn't need high bar to shoot. Luke is the crybaby. The original trilogy Han will totally opportunity shoot Grido in the back if he knew he was sent for him and Grido was walking the street. And the only thing he will feel is recoil. And I know blasters don't have any recoil.
- hirundo 3y ago
  Even flashlights have recoil. Not that Han would feel it. https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/c206f2/do_lasers_have_recoil/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/c206f2/do_laser...
dspillett 3y ago
> I've deliberately sought the DVD edition of the unaltered original trilogy The best you are likely to find is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy%27s_Despecialized_Edition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy%27s_Despecialized_Editio... – I don't think the unaltered editions were ever released on DVD or BluRay at all, just VHS and LaserDisc.
- gsich 3y ago
  4k77 also exists. No they were released in the 2006 DVD set, quality is very poor though.
  - dspillett 3y ago
    When I tried those I found the brightness and colour balance odd in places. I'm told this is because they are optimised to look as close as possible to how they would in a cinema in 1977 (hence the name) so are optimised for viewing via a projector not an LCD TV.
- benj111 3y ago
  I've got them (well my brother stole them) sold along with the rerelease so 6 discs total. Digitally remastered but otherwise the cinema release
  - jonhohle 3y ago
    They are (unfortunately) not remastered. They are 480i letterboxed scans of an earlier LaserDisc release.
- ycombobreaker 3y ago
  There's a DVD "limited edition" of the trilogy that is 2 discs each, and the "extras" disc has either the original or laserdisc edit. This is good. The downside is that the black levels and audio are obviously dated/untouched. There's just no market for "remastering" without the content changes.
- jonhohle 3y ago
  There was a single run that included the THX LaserDisc version of the original Trilogy on DVD. I own it specifically because it included the original release and it’s the version I shown my kids. https://comic-cons.xyz/star-wars-original-trilogy-unaltered-dvd/ https://comic-cons.xyz/star-wars-original-trilogy-unaltered-... At the time the excuse was that there were no longer any masters for the original trilogy to rescan for rerelease, so the LaserDisc version was the best that could be done.
sd9 3y ago
https://youtu.be/qb6UGbRlsgE https://youtu.be/qb6UGbRlsgE "Thanksgiving" - Paul and Storm It spoils the twist, but: > And everybody knows that Greedo never even fired > when Han shoots first it sets up his entire moral journey > Plus it's cool
flippinburgers 3y ago
Am I the only one who finds the end of Return of the Jedi to be the most horrible edit among all of the edits? I mean... I just want the song from my childhood not the garbage found in the blurays...
- HeckFeck 3y ago
  That and the insertion of Hayden Christensen. I know they wanted continuity, but it just throws me off every time I see him. It is as if the ghost represents the worst excesses of the prequels seeping through time. Also don't start me on that 'thing' they have singing in Jabba's palace.
Tangurena2 3y ago
In the book Tales from The Mos Eisley Cantina, the other two Rodians in the Cantina at the time of that scene were present to execute Greedo (for a clan rivalry). Solo shooting Greedo let them claim the bounty. Every story in that book centers around the scenes from the film that took place inside the cantina. 0 - https://www.amazon.com/Tales-Eisley-Cantina-Star-Wars/dp/0553564684 https://www.amazon.com/Tales-Eisley-Cantina-Star-Wars/dp/055...

philwelch 3y ago

Entertainment media seem to have significantly different use-of-force standards than any real life legal or moral statutes. Maybe because the drama of protracted Mexican standoffs would be undercut if people reacted realistically to having guns pointed at them. The Greedo scene has been tweaked multiple times. In the most recent version available on Disney+ (confirmed to be Lucas’ work), Greedo exclaims “macklunkey!” just before the shooting starts, which I find hilariously absurd.

ReptileMan 3y ago

The whole point is that Han Solo is badass. So he doesn't need high bar to shoot. Luke is the crybaby. The original trilogy Han will totally opportunity shoot Grido in the back if he knew he was sent for him and Grido was walking the street. And the only thing he will feel is recoil. And I know blasters don't have any recoil.

hirundo 3y ago
Even flashlights have recoil. Not that Han would feel it. https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/c206f2/do_lasers_have_recoil/ https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/c206f2/do_laser...

dspillett 3y ago

> I've deliberately sought the DVD edition of the unaltered original trilogy The best you are likely to find is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy%27s_Despecialized_Edition https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy%27s_Despecialized_Editio... – I don't think the unaltered editions were ever released on DVD or BluRay at all, just VHS and LaserDisc.

gsich 3y ago
4k77 also exists. No they were released in the 2006 DVD set, quality is very poor though.
- dspillett 3y ago
  When I tried those I found the brightness and colour balance odd in places. I'm told this is because they are optimised to look as close as possible to how they would in a cinema in 1977 (hence the name) so are optimised for viewing via a projector not an LCD TV.
benj111 3y ago
I've got them (well my brother stole them) sold along with the rerelease so 6 discs total. Digitally remastered but otherwise the cinema release
- jonhohle 3y ago
  They are (unfortunately) not remastered. They are 480i letterboxed scans of an earlier LaserDisc release.
ycombobreaker 3y ago
There's a DVD "limited edition" of the trilogy that is 2 discs each, and the "extras" disc has either the original or laserdisc edit. This is good. The downside is that the black levels and audio are obviously dated/untouched. There's just no market for "remastering" without the content changes.
jonhohle 3y ago
There was a single run that included the THX LaserDisc version of the original Trilogy on DVD. I own it specifically because it included the original release and it’s the version I shown my kids. https://comic-cons.xyz/star-wars-original-trilogy-unaltered-dvd/ https://comic-cons.xyz/star-wars-original-trilogy-unaltered-... At the time the excuse was that there were no longer any masters for the original trilogy to rescan for rerelease, so the LaserDisc version was the best that could be done.

sd9 3y ago

https://youtu.be/qb6UGbRlsgE https://youtu.be/qb6UGbRlsgE "Thanksgiving" - Paul and Storm It spoils the twist, but: > And everybody knows that Greedo never even fired > when Han shoots first it sets up his entire moral journey > Plus it's cool

flippinburgers 3y ago

Am I the only one who finds the end of Return of the Jedi to be the most horrible edit among all of the edits? I mean... I just want the song from my childhood not the garbage found in the blurays...

HeckFeck 3y ago
That and the insertion of Hayden Christensen. I know they wanted continuity, but it just throws me off every time I see him. It is as if the ghost represents the worst excesses of the prequels seeping through time. Also don't start me on that 'thing' they have singing in Jabba's palace.

Tangurena2 3y ago

In the book Tales from The Mos Eisley Cantina, the other two Rodians in the Cantina at the time of that scene were present to execute Greedo (for a clan rivalry). Solo shooting Greedo let them claim the bounty. Every story in that book centers around the scenes from the film that took place inside the cantina. 0 - https://www.amazon.com/Tales-Eisley-Cantina-Star-Wars/dp/0553564684 https://www.amazon.com/Tales-Eisley-Cantina-Star-Wars/dp/055...