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'Indiana Jones 5' will feature a de-aged Harrison Ford for the first 25 minutes
- freitzkriesler2 3y agoWhy deage when we can just have AI replace them entirely?
- ASalazarMX 3y agoWhat makes you think that isn't the ultimate goal? Little by little CGI will cross more lines. Fully virtual actors are probably the wet dream of Hollywood.
- freitzkriesler2 3y agoThat's what I was implying. Might as well go full ham.
- jfengel 3y agoRight now, the answer is "stardom". I don't know what it is that makes Harrison Ford a star, but he attracts attention. People go see movies just because he's in it. He's a talented actor, but that's almost incidental. Plenty of stars are poor actors by almost any measure, but people nonetheless love to look at them on screen. Hollywood has a certain talent for manufacturing stardom, but it's still far from a science. They can't turn just anybody into a star, and most of the people they put up for stardom fizzle out. We have no idea how many potential stars are waiting tables and doing the occasional hemorrhoid commercial. When they do find it, they latch on. So they put up "de-aged" Harrison Ford rather than a younger actor, even though the audience consciously knows they're not looking at Harrison Ford. It'll have his voice, which helps, but there's more to it. Some day, somebody will figure out how to make a completely digital actor with "it", whatever "it" is. All hell is gonna break loose that day.
- melling 3y agoThey keep referring to Indiana Jones being in his 30’s but the character was supposedly born in 1899 so that puts him at 45 in 1944. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_(character)#:~:text=The%20show%20provided%20some%20backstory,Walton%20(Lucas's%20middle%20name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_(character)#:~:t...). “Mangold would "shoot Harrison on a Monday as, you know, a 79-year-old playing a 35-year-old, and I could see dailies by Wednesday with his head already replaced."
- bluefirebrand 3y agoWhat's the point of getting a 79 year old to physically do the acting if it's all digital after anyways?
- Aloha 3y agoAfter watching Harrison Ford on 1923, it's because he mostly moves like someone half his age still, but also, he moves like Harrison Ford.
- ASalazarMX 3y agoI've watched Woody Allen's Midnight in Paris, with Owen Wilson acting like the usual Woody Allen insert. Good actors can convincingly imitate other actors.
- Aloha 3y agoWhy use an insert when you already have the real thing? Like the rest of the movie has Ford in it, so why not just have him act the first part - you'd have to hire another actor to play the first whatever minutes?
- yamtaddle 3y agoThey must be thinking of the age he was (roughly) in the first two movies, with 1936 and 1935 settings (respectively). He'd be 35 or 36 for Temple, and 36 or 37 for Raiders.
- javajosh 3y agoOn first principles, this is unfortunate. A good example of how technology enables the old to maintain a grip on power. I generally like Harrison Ford and his movies, but deciding to continue with this franchise feels wrong, somehow. Undignified. Similar to Biden running again or Feinstein (or RGB!) not retiring. Let go, man.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoReal politicians being elected and leading people in real life is not similar to a movie studio trying to squeeze money from a nostalgic audience for a pure luxury purchase that no one has to buy.
- PKop 3y agoFilm and TV is a multi billion dollar industry that produces, whether purposeful or not, whether with nefarious intentions or not, mass media propaganda, memes and narratives that millions of people around the world consume, and which then informs their views on and understanding of the world, history, culture, the human condition etc. To say their is no power involved in this process is naive. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays "... the father of public relations". His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom", and his work for the United Fruit Company in the 1950s, connected with the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected Guatemalan government in 1954. He worked for dozens of major American corporations including Procter & Gamble and General Electric, and for government agencies, politicians, and nonprofit organizations. Of his many books, Crystallizing Public Opinion (1923) and Propaganda (1928) gained special attention as early efforts to define and theorize the field of public relations. Citing works of writers such as Gustave Le Bon, Wilfred Trotter, Walter Lippmann, and Sigmund Freud (his own double uncle), he described the masses as irrational and subject to herd instinct—and he outlined how skilled practitioners could use crowd psychology and psychoanalysis to control them in desired ways." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Randolph https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Randolph Marc Bernays Randolph - an American tech entrepreneur, advisor and speaker.[1] He is the cofounder and first CEO of Netflix. Another paternal great-uncle of Randolph was Edward Bernays, an Austrian-American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda.
- oblak 3y agoAt best, we might get another awesome south park episode out of this
- beebeepka 3y agoWell, well, well. Indiana Jones, you are looking nice
- excalibur 3y ago> Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark Tell me you're under 30 without telling me you're under 30.
- strictnein 3y agoAgreed, but... Paramount refers to it that way as well. "INDIANA JONES AND THE RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xQSIdSRlAk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xQSIdSRlAk Get ready for edge-of-your-seat thrills in Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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- orra 3y agoNext people will be calling "Star Wars" "A New Hope" or "Episode 4"!
- slibhb 3y agoDidn't work so well in The Irishman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqGV0IuodWE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqGV0IuodWE Something uncanny about his face. Takes me out of the scene.
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- quelltext 3y agoWhat takes me out is that he "fights" like a geriatric. What's the point of making the faces look young when the rest doesn't add up.
- lanartri 3y agoford is benjamin button at movies anymore
- cm2187 3y agoDe-aging doesn't really work when the actors have the tonus of a 80yo like in The Irishman. You get those young looking actors that are mostly static, slow moving and struggling to stand up.
- diogenescynic 3y agoThe fight scenes in The Irishman were so embarrassing.
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- commandlinefan 3y agoI imagine this technology is only going to get better - I suspect it won't be long before Harrison Ford appears in dozens of movies every year even after his death.
- atleastoptimal 3y agoLucasfilm/Disney is hoping positive reviews of this tech will allow them to make unlimited CGI/AI/Deepfake movies in the future starring any actor from the past at any age, eliminating the need for an actor's involvement beyond a likeness rights contract.
- adam_arthur 3y agoYes, they and others certainly will. Generative AI will bring about widespread deflation in the cost of entertainment… which will be great for society. Can’t really put the genie back in the bottle once it’s out. Why even pay licensing fees to existing actors? Just create your own personas to repackage. Of course there’s some value in the immediate term to using recognizable likenesses, but not likely to be a longer lived trend. We can look back 10, 20, 100 years and easily recognize the huge benefits technology has brought to society, and still whenever something new gets created there are people that will fight it tooth and nail over very shortsighted concerns.
- freitzkriesler2 3y agoThe only deflation will occur for the producers and corporate owners. You, me, and everyone else will pay the same prices while 95% of these who went into making movies will be unemployed.
- adam_arthur 3y agoLook up what a “competitive market” is, and the implications on cost to the consumer. To be more direct, if content is cheap for everyone to produce, then they will have to compete on price to get consumers to engage with their content. This is obvious from both historical record and first principles. Look at margins in any mature industry with high levels of competition. Its also clear from history that unemployment created by technology gets absorbed into other types of roles. How can the US have close to an all time low unemployment rate after the industrial revolution obviated so many factory jobs? People who fight technology have no understanding of history. Some lose, most win
- legerdemain 3y agoLikeness courtesy of Harrison Ford. Body movement by Jackie Bradshaw. Facial acting and expressions from Tony Armstrong. Nose performance (closeups) by Vic Ganderton. Hands: Industrial Light & Magic
- Vanit 3y agoFor the most part, John de Lancies' young Q in Star Trek Picard was very convincing. We're fast approaching where this tech gets over the uncanny valley.