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The elephant in the room here is the obsession western TV now has with being woke. It has become quite difficult to not have trendy political points shoved down

The elephant in the room here is the obsession western TV now has with being woke. It has become quite difficult to not have trendy political points shoved down your throat.

Lolaccount 3y ago
I'd suggest that's the elephant in your room ... Hope you have a good poop-scooper.
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epolanski 3y ago
+1, it's unbearable, especially on Disney/Netflix content. But what do you expect? They are editing books from 100 years ago to "bend with the times". Books! As if having an informative introduction or contextualization to the book but leaving it alone would be a worse option.
- teachrdan 3y ago
  I'm confused. Is Netflix editing books from 100 years ago? Is Disney? It seems like you're conflating two completely unrelated phenomena: 1. Publishers getting tons of free publicity by announcing cosmetic changes to old books, and 2. Netflix investing $2.5 billion in South Korean programming. As for 1 above, the publisher of Roald Dahl's books have released the original AND edited versions of his books, thus creating new content for people to purchase and demand for consumers to rage-buy the old version. https://variety.com/2023/film/news/matilda-roald-dahl-rewritten-rerelease-1235534515/ https://variety.com/2023/film/news/matilda-roald-dahl-rewrit...
  - epolanski 3y ago
    I'm not conflating different phenomena I'm talking about sensitivity readers and the recent wave of editing all books to be more pc.
    - teachrdan 3y ago
      Then I'm curious how "sensitivity readers" relates to Netflix investing $2.5 billion in South Korean television programming. Could you perhaps explain how these two things relate to each other at all?
azmarks 3y ago
woke? You mean treating all types of people with respect?
alienthrowaway 3y ago
> The elephant in the room here is the obsession western TV now has with being woke. The biggest Korean series on Netflix is absurdly "woke": I don't know how one could watch Squid Game and miss how critical it is of capitalism. I also find most movies by Bong Joon-ho to be similarly "woke" - not at the periphery, but as a central theme of the work - for instance Snowpiercer, Parasite and Okja, and they are hits in Korea and abroad. Meta commentary: your appreciation for diverse types of movies (and not just the same-old bland Hollywood ones) is pretty woke too!
- koromak 3y ago
  Having a liberal-leaning thesis isn't "woke", thats a complete misunderstanding of what the word means in this context. Wokeness is a recent aesthetic trend, liberal politics is ancient.
  - alienthrowaway 3y ago
    > Having a liberal-leaning thesis isn't "woke" "Woke" has become a fuzzy culture-war term with no clear meaning when used perjoratively. Racial diversity? "Woke". Non-heteronormative relationships? Also "woke". A sci-fi movie about blue native cat-people fighting imperialism is apparently also woke[1]. A conservative strategist boasted that they successfully co-opted the term to be malleable enough to fit any topic that the conservative voters may dislike. So my definition of woke is accurate by their standard; where are you basing your definition? 1. I'm taking Ben Shapiro's word for it.
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    Woke is not new, it's around for 40, 50 years? But the way liberals are using it is different from how right-wings are using it today. For them, it's now a plain insult for anything not on their side. And this meaning has spreading like cancer in recent years.
  - Delfino 3y ago
    When asked in court what was meant by the term "woke," Ron DeSantis' general counsel said "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them." Other than using the modifier American, the parent comment's use of the term woke fits very well with this definition.
ryan_lane 3y ago
Unlike Korean shows, which would never have political topics as main subjects of the show. Like, itaewon class would have been totally ruined by having a trans character, or a black foreigner. Extraordinary Attorney Woo would have been ruined by having a character on the spectrum. God help us if revenge shows were based on class war. It would be a real shame if women's rights were discussed in any of these shows too. My dude. Some of the most popular shows of the past 5-10 years across Asia have prominently included the topics you think of as "woke". You somehow think this is only a thing in America, but that's your weird weeby goggles.

The elephant in the room here is the obsession western TV now has with being woke. It has become quite difficult to not have trendy political points shoved down your throat.

Lolaccount 3y ago

I'd suggest that's the elephant in your room ... Hope you have a good poop-scooper.

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epolanski 3y ago

+1, it's unbearable, especially on Disney/Netflix content. But what do you expect? They are editing books from 100 years ago to "bend with the times". Books! As if having an informative introduction or contextualization to the book but leaving it alone would be a worse option.

teachrdan 3y ago
I'm confused. Is Netflix editing books from 100 years ago? Is Disney? It seems like you're conflating two completely unrelated phenomena: 1. Publishers getting tons of free publicity by announcing cosmetic changes to old books, and 2. Netflix investing $2.5 billion in South Korean programming. As for 1 above, the publisher of Roald Dahl's books have released the original AND edited versions of his books, thus creating new content for people to purchase and demand for consumers to rage-buy the old version. https://variety.com/2023/film/news/matilda-roald-dahl-rewritten-rerelease-1235534515/ https://variety.com/2023/film/news/matilda-roald-dahl-rewrit...
- epolanski 3y ago
  I'm not conflating different phenomena I'm talking about sensitivity readers and the recent wave of editing all books to be more pc.
  - teachrdan 3y ago
    Then I'm curious how "sensitivity readers" relates to Netflix investing $2.5 billion in South Korean television programming. Could you perhaps explain how these two things relate to each other at all?

azmarks 3y ago

woke? You mean treating all types of people with respect?

alienthrowaway 3y ago

> The elephant in the room here is the obsession western TV now has with being woke. The biggest Korean series on Netflix is absurdly "woke": I don't know how one could watch Squid Game and miss how critical it is of capitalism. I also find most movies by Bong Joon-ho to be similarly "woke" - not at the periphery, but as a central theme of the work - for instance Snowpiercer, Parasite and Okja, and they are hits in Korea and abroad. Meta commentary: your appreciation for diverse types of movies (and not just the same-old bland Hollywood ones) is pretty woke too!

koromak 3y ago
Having a liberal-leaning thesis isn't "woke", thats a complete misunderstanding of what the word means in this context. Wokeness is a recent aesthetic trend, liberal politics is ancient.
- alienthrowaway 3y ago
  > Having a liberal-leaning thesis isn't "woke" "Woke" has become a fuzzy culture-war term with no clear meaning when used perjoratively. Racial diversity? "Woke". Non-heteronormative relationships? Also "woke". A sci-fi movie about blue native cat-people fighting imperialism is apparently also woke[1]. A conservative strategist boasted that they successfully co-opted the term to be malleable enough to fit any topic that the conservative voters may dislike. So my definition of woke is accurate by their standard; where are you basing your definition? 1. I'm taking Ben Shapiro's word for it.
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  Woke is not new, it's around for 40, 50 years? But the way liberals are using it is different from how right-wings are using it today. For them, it's now a plain insult for anything not on their side. And this meaning has spreading like cancer in recent years.
- Delfino 3y ago
  When asked in court what was meant by the term "woke," Ron DeSantis' general counsel said "the belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the need to address them." Other than using the modifier American, the parent comment's use of the term woke fits very well with this definition.

ryan_lane 3y ago

Unlike Korean shows, which would never have political topics as main subjects of the show. Like, itaewon class would have been totally ruined by having a trans character, or a black foreigner. Extraordinary Attorney Woo would have been ruined by having a character on the spectrum. God help us if revenge shows were based on class war. It would be a real shame if women's rights were discussed in any of these shows too. My dude. Some of the most popular shows of the past 5-10 years across Asia have prominently included the topics you think of as "woke". You somehow think this is only a thing in America, but that's your weird weeby goggles.