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Even then there'll be a distribution shift effect they need to account for. Not everyone is allowed into the FSD program, and the fact that they're self-selecti
by hansvm 4y ago
Even then there'll be a distribution shift effect they need to account for. Not everyone is allowed into the FSD program, and the fact that they're self-selecting to use FSD additionally biases the roads and conditions where they choose to do so. Moreover, how you count is still very relevant if all the hairy events happen when a human operator takes control -- the car screwed up, but the resulting crash gets blamed on the operator who couldn't react to the ensuing shitshow in time, and even if total crashes/fatalities are lower when counting those events you still have the self-selection problem of perhaps those FSD operators in those conditions being better at recovery from car-induced errors than the general population in arbitrary conditions would be.
Like...maybe it's fine. But even at 0 fatal crashes in 5 billion miles they won't have a strong argument that a more widely deployed FSD would have similar success without a lot more data to explain how the thing they measured directly connects to the thing they'll want to claim it represents.
- jjoonathan 4y agoThank you for demonstrating my point. This is exactly why they want a safety margin on their safety margin.
- rurp 4y agoThen Tesla should stop making claims about safety until they are willing to back them up with evidence. The most likely scenario given the available information is that Musk is lying and Tesla's aren't as safe as the company would have us believe.
- jjoonathan 4y agoTesla's claims from TFA are pretty cringe, but so are the calls to ban FSD on account of a horrible safety record that isn't actually horrible.
- MBCook 4y ago> account of a horrible safety record that isn't actually horrible. That’s the problem. We don’t know the safety record because Tesla won’t release it. But the anecdotal evidence we do have is very worrying. And the development model doesn’t inspire confidence. So the calls to ban it seem very reasonable to me.