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I had a flight of fancy recently where I thought I might try lecturing. I saw the below as required 'Qualifications' on a CUNY [0] posting for "Distinguished Le

I had a flight of fancy recently where I thought I might try lecturing. I saw the below as required 'Qualifications' on a CUNY [0] posting for "Distinguished Lecturer - Curriculum & Teaching, Computer Science Education" [1]. I will leave it to you to determine if the qualifications they seek would lead you to believe your child would benefit from being under the instruction of such a person. Edit: See comment below, this particular institution has specific goals. MA Degree in Computer Science, Educational Technology, Education, or a closely related field; earned doctorate preferred but not required Expertise in computer science educational pedagogies Experience with outreach and community engagement Demonstrated commitment to social justice, multimodal learning, anti-racist pedagogies, multilingualism, and culturally and linguistically responsive and sustaining pedagogy Ability to collaborate in recruiting students for graduate programs Demonstrated ability to effectively teach adults in college level education programs in various modalities including in person, hybrid, synchronous and asynchronous modalities Experience with outreach and community engagement which are seen as important for developing the Computer Science Education Program at Hunter College. Demonstrated knowledge of computer science K-12 learning standards and curricula Experience integrating issues of diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility in teaching, scholarship, and service Experience teaching in classrooms, educational settings and communities with culturally diverse populations including multilingual learners Evidence of excellent written, oral, organizational, and interpersonal communication skills 0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_University_of_New_York https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_University_of_New_York > The City University of New York is the public university system of New York City. It is the largest urban university system in the United States 1: https://cuny.jobs/new-york-ny/distinguished-lecturer-curriculum-teaching-computer-science-education/252659E7642E4ADDA14C8E9C37BB0E2F/job/ https://cuny.jobs/new-york-ny/distinguished-lecturer-curricu...

dsfyu404ed 4y ago
Sounds like they're looking for a career academic who happens to have a CS undergrad and not a CS professional who can teach and work in an academic environment.
- anotherhue 4y ago
  Based on the salary range, you're probably right.
hgsgm 4y ago
Looks like impossibly excellent qualifications, except maybe one of them if you are "anti-woke". CUNY is a haven for low-wealth non-white people who appreciate being included in opportunities for advancement.
- ethbr0 4y ago
  Agreed. It's a bit ridiculous to pull a qualifications list from a college that's declared purpose since before 1900 has been mass education, irrespective of sex, race, religion, or ethnic background. If parent wants to make the point I think they're trying to make: pull a collection of * Institutes of Technology's hiring policies. Using Hunter College/CUNY is like pointing to Kentucky Fried Chicken as an example of how restaurants are serving too much fried food. Maybe. But the mission is advertised -- if you choose to walk through that particular door, what you get shouldn't be a surprise. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College
  - anotherhue 4y ago
    I didn't actually know that, thank you for highlighting it.
    - ethbr0 4y ago
      Neither did I! Not my part of the country. And I am sympathetic to your point -- there's a lot of excesses and not-functionally-relevant requirements in academia these days. But NYC has a lengthy and altruistic history of charity/nonprofit educational institutions for those who have been denied access at one time or another, and this just happened to be an example of that. I would be fascinated to get a meta analysis of tech school faculty requirements, 1940 - 2023, though. Honestly can't guess if they've drifted or not.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Sounds tragic. They went from promoting equality for a hundred years to promoting fashionable anti-Asian racism and misandry. I hope they find their way again.
alistairSH 4y ago
I take it you find something wrong with these requirements? They look roughly "correct" to my eye. Experience in field... Can't teach something you don't know yourself] Experience with educational pedagogies... Some background in education is good Recruiting for graduate programs... sure, sounds like a thing a uni would want Teaching diverse student body... this is an urban uni with a large non-white population (25% Black, 30% Hispanic) and massive number of first-generation college students (45%). Experience teaching remote, hybrid, etc.... that's a requirement in 2023
- anotherhue 4y ago
  To be clear, I'm broadly supportive of inclusion, but my surprise was at the balance of 'actual technical knowledge and ability' and 'community outreach / admin / political agenda fulfilment'. If I think about university choice as 'hiring' a professor to teach my child, I would review their qualifications, and this isn't what I personally would want to see -- though as others have pointed out this is not a technical college so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.
  - alistairSH 4y ago
    That's fair enough - this list is unsurprising at CUNY, given its mission and student body. The same list at BigStateU could be a little off-putting, though I tend to believe most of the "woke" requirements are made in good faith. I've read plenty of accounts of minority students who attended top-notch unis (some Ivies, some premier state schools) and felt completely out-of-place for myriad reasons. Colleges should put guardrails in place to ensure these students are successful.
- jimbokun 4y ago
  Is there evidence that the techniques used for effectively teaching white students, are not effective for teaching non-white students? Are the brains of people from different races really that different?
anonymousDan 4y ago
I don't really understand what your issue is. This is specifically looking for someone interested in CS Education/Pedagogy (i.e. the science of teaching Computer Science), as opposed to a specialist/researcher in a particular CS topic (e.g. distributed systems, mchine learning etc).

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

Sounds like they're looking for a career academic who happens to have a CS undergrad and not a CS professional who can teach and work in an academic environment.

anotherhue 4y ago
Based on the salary range, you're probably right.

hgsgm 4y ago

Looks like impossibly excellent qualifications, except maybe one of them if you are "anti-woke". CUNY is a haven for low-wealth non-white people who appreciate being included in opportunities for advancement.

ethbr0 4y ago
Agreed. It's a bit ridiculous to pull a qualifications list from a college that's declared purpose since before 1900 has been mass education, irrespective of sex, race, religion, or ethnic background. If parent wants to make the point I think they're trying to make: pull a collection of * Institutes of Technology's hiring policies. Using Hunter College/CUNY is like pointing to Kentucky Fried Chicken as an example of how restaurants are serving too much fried food. Maybe. But the mission is advertised -- if you choose to walk through that particular door, what you get shouldn't be a surprise. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_College
- anotherhue 4y ago
  I didn't actually know that, thank you for highlighting it.
  - ethbr0 4y ago
    Neither did I! Not my part of the country. And I am sympathetic to your point -- there's a lot of excesses and not-functionally-relevant requirements in academia these days. But NYC has a lengthy and altruistic history of charity/nonprofit educational institutions for those who have been denied access at one time or another, and this just happened to be an example of that. I would be fascinated to get a meta analysis of tech school faculty requirements, 1940 - 2023, though. Honestly can't guess if they've drifted or not.
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Sounds tragic. They went from promoting equality for a hundred years to promoting fashionable anti-Asian racism and misandry. I hope they find their way again.

alistairSH 4y ago

I take it you find something wrong with these requirements? They look roughly "correct" to my eye. Experience in field... Can't teach something you don't know yourself] Experience with educational pedagogies... Some background in education is good Recruiting for graduate programs... sure, sounds like a thing a uni would want Teaching diverse student body... this is an urban uni with a large non-white population (25% Black, 30% Hispanic) and massive number of first-generation college students (45%). Experience teaching remote, hybrid, etc.... that's a requirement in 2023

anotherhue 4y ago
To be clear, I'm broadly supportive of inclusion, but my surprise was at the balance of 'actual technical knowledge and ability' and 'community outreach / admin / political agenda fulfilment'. If I think about university choice as 'hiring' a professor to teach my child, I would review their qualifications, and this isn't what I personally would want to see -- though as others have pointed out this is not a technical college so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree.
- alistairSH 4y ago
  That's fair enough - this list is unsurprising at CUNY, given its mission and student body. The same list at BigStateU could be a little off-putting, though I tend to believe most of the "woke" requirements are made in good faith. I've read plenty of accounts of minority students who attended top-notch unis (some Ivies, some premier state schools) and felt completely out-of-place for myriad reasons. Colleges should put guardrails in place to ensure these students are successful.
jimbokun 4y ago
Is there evidence that the techniques used for effectively teaching white students, are not effective for teaching non-white students? Are the brains of people from different races really that different?

anonymousDan 4y ago

I don't really understand what your issue is. This is specifically looking for someone interested in CS Education/Pedagogy (i.e. the science of teaching Computer Science), as opposed to a specialist/researcher in a particular CS topic (e.g. distributed systems, mchine learning etc).