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I finally got an invite to join Arc today. A lot of the excitement was dulled by the fact that a well designed, well engineered app needs money to pay those de

I finally got an invite to join Arc today. A lot of the excitement was dulled by the fact that a well designed, well engineered app needs money to pay those designers & engineers, and just like this instance, you can never really know whats being leaked or sold, unless it's a large open source project. Yes, I know the old adage that if you're not paying for a product you are the product, and as I try and simplify my life and focus on having just a few really high-quality items in any category of life, getting screwed so often because of the need for companies to have as much information as possible updated as often as possible is really making it harder and harder to be the technology and internet enthusiast I once was.

yabatopia 3y ago
I had to look up Arc, there are different arcs. You probably mean this one, a new kind of browser: https://thebrowser.company/ https://thebrowser.company/
- Grimm665 3y ago
  Wow what is this and why does it have that vaguely petrichor-like scent of vaporware?
  - ubercore 3y ago
    It's actually pretty great, I really like it.
    - Grimm665 3y ago
      Despite my snark, I am genuinely curious after seeing a bit of what it actually looks like in their design meeting video. What are the unique features and what do you like about it?
      - type0 3y ago
        We should like it, it's the Browser of New York!
      - ubercore 3y ago
        For me the spaces organization, and how they handle tabs is really nice. Cleaning up open tabs every night (being keeping the archive if you need to re-find) is nice, and moving certain tabs up to the favorites area that are long-lived is nice. There's nothing super major that changes for me, but if you're the type of person that collects tabs and then doesn't do a great job organizing them, it could be really nice.
  - still_grokking 3y ago
    Especially as all it offers is a tab tree and split content windows. Something that you can have since ages in Vivaldi natively or with just two add-ons in Firefox. Also it's of course not a new browser. It's just the next Chrome GUI.
    - RheingoldRiver 3y ago
      The "Peek" feature they showed in a tweet seems cool, is there an extension for that in Firefox? Where you can get a tab-within-a-tab to view an article or etc without opening a tab yet. I would definitely install an extension to be able to right-click "Preview Link" or "Preview Tab" or etc. I did a quick search for "Preview Link" and "Peek" and nothing really showed up. There was one "simple link preview" but I tried installing it and it just seems super buggy so I uninstalled.
      - udfalkso 3y ago
        The part I like lost about the peek feature is when it happens elsewhere in the OS. I click a link in outlook or iMessage and I pops up right there in context without jumping all the way to my browser. ESP nice for unsubscribe links in emails.
        RheingoldRiver 3y ago
        do you mean that this Arc browser enables that?
        udfalkso 3y ago
        Yea
        RheingoldRiver 3y ago
        Oh I'll admit that does seem like a selling point to have it installed at least. Does it have to be default browser or what's the UX like?
  - rattray 3y ago
    I think they maybe just haven't updated that website much since before they launched the browser, whose website is here: https://arc.net/ https://arc.net/ I've been using it for a while and it's solid.
autoexec 3y ago
> Yes, I know the old adage that if you're not paying for a product you are the product Now it's just "You are the product". It doesn't matter how much you pay for something. You can spend hundreds on a copy of Windows, or thousands on a laptop or smart TV and still have your data collected and used against you at every opportunity. It's free software now that's most likely to do what you want without also trying to screw you in secret, but even with open source software you have to watch it like a hawk. So much good software goes bad eventually and even well intentioned programs can have their own ideas on how much data is okay to send to third parties.
- spookie 3y ago
  Very much so. I find myself wanting to pay for software. Once if it's just one major version, sub if there are indeed online up and running costs. But it has become so difficult to find honest solutions I just return to foss projects and donate some money. Sometimes this isn't ideal, and then I go through the process again. It's baffling. There are some good companies out there ofc, and I do hope they continue doing the right thing.

yabatopia 3y ago

I had to look up Arc, there are different arcs. You probably mean this one, a new kind of browser: https://thebrowser.company/ https://thebrowser.company/

Grimm665 3y ago
Wow what is this and why does it have that vaguely petrichor-like scent of vaporware?
- ubercore 3y ago
  It's actually pretty great, I really like it.
  - Grimm665 3y ago
    Despite my snark, I am genuinely curious after seeing a bit of what it actually looks like in their design meeting video. What are the unique features and what do you like about it?
    - type0 3y ago
      We should like it, it's the Browser of New York!
    - ubercore 3y ago
      For me the spaces organization, and how they handle tabs is really nice. Cleaning up open tabs every night (being keeping the archive if you need to re-find) is nice, and moving certain tabs up to the favorites area that are long-lived is nice. There's nothing super major that changes for me, but if you're the type of person that collects tabs and then doesn't do a great job organizing them, it could be really nice.
- still_grokking 3y ago
  Especially as all it offers is a tab tree and split content windows. Something that you can have since ages in Vivaldi natively or with just two add-ons in Firefox. Also it's of course not a new browser. It's just the next Chrome GUI.
  - RheingoldRiver 3y ago
    The "Peek" feature they showed in a tweet seems cool, is there an extension for that in Firefox? Where you can get a tab-within-a-tab to view an article or etc without opening a tab yet. I would definitely install an extension to be able to right-click "Preview Link" or "Preview Tab" or etc. I did a quick search for "Preview Link" and "Peek" and nothing really showed up. There was one "simple link preview" but I tried installing it and it just seems super buggy so I uninstalled.
    - udfalkso 3y ago
      The part I like lost about the peek feature is when it happens elsewhere in the OS. I click a link in outlook or iMessage and I pops up right there in context without jumping all the way to my browser. ESP nice for unsubscribe links in emails.
      - RheingoldRiver 3y ago
        do you mean that this Arc browser enables that?
        udfalkso 3y ago
        Yea
        RheingoldRiver 3y ago
        Oh I'll admit that does seem like a selling point to have it installed at least. Does it have to be default browser or what's the UX like?
- rattray 3y ago
  I think they maybe just haven't updated that website much since before they launched the browser, whose website is here: https://arc.net/ https://arc.net/ I've been using it for a while and it's solid.

autoexec 3y ago

> Yes, I know the old adage that if you're not paying for a product you are the product Now it's just "You are the product". It doesn't matter how much you pay for something. You can spend hundreds on a copy of Windows, or thousands on a laptop or smart TV and still have your data collected and used against you at every opportunity. It's free software now that's most likely to do what you want without also trying to screw you in secret, but even with open source software you have to watch it like a hawk. So much good software goes bad eventually and even well intentioned programs can have their own ideas on how much data is okay to send to third parties.

spookie 3y ago
Very much so. I find myself wanting to pay for software. Once if it's just one major version, sub if there are indeed online up and running costs. But it has become so difficult to find honest solutions I just return to foss projects and donate some money. Sometimes this isn't ideal, and then I go through the process again. It's baffling. There are some good companies out there ofc, and I do hope they continue doing the right thing.