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I find it funny how people just don't learn from history. There is even a term for it, and it comes from the same exact behaviour from the same exact company:

by toyg 4y ago

I find it funny how people just don't learn from history. There is even a term for it, and it comes from the same exact behaviour from the same exact company: https://www.howtogeek.com/297651/what-does-it-mean-when-a-company-sherlocks-an-app/ https://www.howtogeek.com/297651/what-does-it-mean-when-a-co... Apple don't care one iota for any developer on their platforms.

echelon 4y ago
The developer is building on Apple's system and owes the entire opportunity to Apple. Without Apple they wouldn't be able to develop the app or find customers for it.
- gbil 4y ago
  Equally superficial reading of this ends up to the following statement: Apple is building it's ecosystem on developers. Without developers Apple wouldn't be able to build an ecosystem and find customers for it
  - ninkendo 4y ago
    This isn’t necessarily true. You can actually have quite a useful device by only using Apple’s software. As a customer, I don’t need third party apps on my iPhone. (There are only one or two third party apps I actually use, and my phone would still be 95% as useful without them.)
    - prettyStandard 4y ago
      I assume that other 5% is the internet?
      - ninkendo 4y ago
        No? I use safari as my web browser, which is written by Apple. I didn’t say “no third party content of any kind”, and this discussion is about app stores after all. Apple not having an App Store would still mean I get to keep safari, so the phone is still 95% as useful. I’d miss my baby feeding tracking app and… not much else.
- margarina72 4y ago
  Apple built hardware, like many others manufacturers, and then used the app store, which is a glorified index with a locked gateway mechanism, to control which software get used on the hardware they sell. They didn't build an ecosystem more than others, they just made sure to kill any potential competitive ecosystem on the same hardware.
  - empthought 4y ago
    > They didn't build an ecosystem more than others, they just made sure to kill any potential competitive ecosystem on the same hardware. That's how ecosystems work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juglone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juglone
  - pb7 4y ago
    >They didn't build an ecosystem more than others, they just made sure to kill any potential competitive ecosystem on the same hardware. How did that work out for Facebook phone or Amazon phone or Microsoft phone or the myriad of others that tried? Apple built the best ecosystem and that's why it prints money.
- planb 4y ago
  Not at all directed at you, but I find it funny that this stance is often taken by people who would be outright offended if you replaced „Apple“ by „the state“ in statements like this.
  - brookst 4y ago
    That is funny, considering as how private companies are the same thing as the state.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      Last time I checked, a private company can’t stop me because “I look suspicious”. They can’t take away my property via civil forfeiture and imminent domain. They don’t take 1/3 of my check. With part of that being a forced retirement plan that I can’t opt out of etc. Only the government has “a monopoly on violence” and qualified immunity.
      - takenpilot 4y ago
        "can't stop me" You mean imprison or kidnap. Large companies can stop you from using their ecosystems or entering their property for almost any reason they like.
        scarface74 4y ago
        And you compare that to what the government can do? I could live my entire life without using any one of the large corporations.
        planb 4y ago
        It would be easier for me to move to a different country than to stop using services or devices of the large corporations.
- raincole 4y ago
  It's like saying you own your ISP an opportunity because without the internet you can't do much work.
- amelius 4y ago
  So everybody should develop their own OS and their own iDevice? That would be great for the planet ...
amelius 4y ago
> Apple don't care one iota for any developer on their platforms. Why do they always give me that warm fuzzy feeling then?
- forty 4y ago
  I never developed for iOS, but I had to work with Apple stuff on the backend (in app purchase, push notification). As a developer, everything Apple provided (documentation, api, reliability) seemed to tell me "you don't really have a choice anyway, do you? What are you going to do, not support iOS? That's right..."
  - illiarian 4y ago
    This has become significantly worse in recent years. Apple used to have decent documentation. No it's a dump of function headers
- toyg 4y ago
  Stockholm syndrome is powerful.
- classified 4y ago
  Successful brain washing?
cyclecount 4y ago
The thing is, yes it sucks for that developer, but many of these apps should have been features of the OS and work better with that deep integration. NightShift is significantly nicer than F.lux. Spotlight search and Notifications (Sherlock and Growl) are things that make sense to be built into the operating system.

by toyg 4y ago

echelon 4y ago

The developer is building on Apple's system and owes the entire opportunity to Apple. Without Apple they wouldn't be able to develop the app or find customers for it.

gbil 4y ago
Equally superficial reading of this ends up to the following statement: Apple is building it's ecosystem on developers. Without developers Apple wouldn't be able to build an ecosystem and find customers for it
- ninkendo 4y ago
  This isn’t necessarily true. You can actually have quite a useful device by only using Apple’s software. As a customer, I don’t need third party apps on my iPhone. (There are only one or two third party apps I actually use, and my phone would still be 95% as useful without them.)
  - prettyStandard 4y ago
    I assume that other 5% is the internet?
    - ninkendo 4y ago
      No? I use safari as my web browser, which is written by Apple. I didn’t say “no third party content of any kind”, and this discussion is about app stores after all. Apple not having an App Store would still mean I get to keep safari, so the phone is still 95% as useful. I’d miss my baby feeding tracking app and… not much else.
margarina72 4y ago
Apple built hardware, like many others manufacturers, and then used the app store, which is a glorified index with a locked gateway mechanism, to control which software get used on the hardware they sell. They didn't build an ecosystem more than others, they just made sure to kill any potential competitive ecosystem on the same hardware.
- empthought 4y ago
  > They didn't build an ecosystem more than others, they just made sure to kill any potential competitive ecosystem on the same hardware. That's how ecosystems work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juglone https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juglone
- pb7 4y ago
  >They didn't build an ecosystem more than others, they just made sure to kill any potential competitive ecosystem on the same hardware. How did that work out for Facebook phone or Amazon phone or Microsoft phone or the myriad of others that tried? Apple built the best ecosystem and that's why it prints money.
planb 4y ago
Not at all directed at you, but I find it funny that this stance is often taken by people who would be outright offended if you replaced „Apple“ by „the state“ in statements like this.
- brookst 4y ago
  That is funny, considering as how private companies are the same thing as the state.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Last time I checked, a private company can’t stop me because “I look suspicious”. They can’t take away my property via civil forfeiture and imminent domain. They don’t take 1/3 of my check. With part of that being a forced retirement plan that I can’t opt out of etc. Only the government has “a monopoly on violence” and qualified immunity.
    - takenpilot 4y ago
      "can't stop me" You mean imprison or kidnap. Large companies can stop you from using their ecosystems or entering their property for almost any reason they like.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        And you compare that to what the government can do? I could live my entire life without using any one of the large corporations.
        planb 4y ago
        It would be easier for me to move to a different country than to stop using services or devices of the large corporations.
raincole 4y ago
It's like saying you own your ISP an opportunity because without the internet you can't do much work.
amelius 4y ago
So everybody should develop their own OS and their own iDevice? That would be great for the planet ...

amelius 4y ago

> Apple don't care one iota for any developer on their platforms. Why do they always give me that warm fuzzy feeling then?

forty 4y ago
I never developed for iOS, but I had to work with Apple stuff on the backend (in app purchase, push notification). As a developer, everything Apple provided (documentation, api, reliability) seemed to tell me "you don't really have a choice anyway, do you? What are you going to do, not support iOS? That's right..."
- illiarian 4y ago
  This has become significantly worse in recent years. Apple used to have decent documentation. No it's a dump of function headers
toyg 4y ago
Stockholm syndrome is powerful.
classified 4y ago
Successful brain washing?

cyclecount 4y ago

The thing is, yes it sucks for that developer, but many of these apps should have been features of the OS and work better with that deep integration. NightShift is significantly nicer than F.lux. Spotlight search and Notifications (Sherlock and Growl) are things that make sense to be built into the operating system.