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Users: We want standalone non-subscription licenses! 1Password: I really wish we knew what users wanted. Users: Please don't move to Electron, I don't want Ch
by torstenvl 4y ago
Users: We want standalone non-subscription licenses!
1Password: I really wish we knew what users wanted.
Users: Please don't move to Electron, I don't want Chrome bugs in my password manager.
1Password: I'm just baffled. We never hear from users.
Users: Please, for the love of God, give us control over our vaults. Don't go cloud-only, we're begging you!
1Password: Better turn on telemetry. It's the only way to solve this mystery for the ages.
- kspacewalk2 4y agoThey're focusing of the enterprise market. Those users are now what matters, because that's where the money is. Individual and family customers will still get their tier of product, but ain't no company-wide business decisions gonna be catered to their whims. And particularly with standalone perpetual licences, which I'm still clinging on to. Sync via DropBox, share a vault with family, and another one with my small team at work. It's perfect, for me. But it just doesn't work for 1Password, financially. No amount of getting upset or whiny will change that. Time to get over it.
- SanjayMehta 4y agoTo give 1Password some credit, they haven't broken the standalone licenses yet. Every time the iOS app updates, I suffer from an anxiety attack that sync via dropbox might break. Unsure about a reasonable alternative.
- lgreiv 4y agoI have some bad news for you. They are not updating their browser integrations for <= v7 and the newer ones will not work with local vaults. De facto, they are already deprecating standalone licenses/local vaults.
- SanjayMehta 4y agoI'm stuck on macOS 10.15 for various reasons and so far 1password 6.x hasn't broken. Taking your warning as a catalyst to find an alternative.
- drcongo 4y agoIf you don't need shared vaults, Secrets [0] is excellent and feels a lot like the last good version of 1Password before they started down their current path of destroying both their product and their reputation. [0] https://outercorner.com/secrets-mac/ https://outercorner.com/secrets-mac/
- rcarmo 4y agoThis is what I use on the Mac (full disclosure: I know the developer on a personal basis, since we worked together in the past). Only shortcoming for me is the lack of Apple Watch support for a few key things like TOTP and keeping some credit card PINs always on me.
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- moritz 4y agoCan it sync via Wifi?
- drcongo 4y agoNice to see my sincere recommendation of an excellent product from an indie dev get downvoted. This is why people can't be bothered being nice on HN.
- SanjayMehta 4y agoThey forget that at one time 1Password was an obscure indie dev too. I discovered it via a similar recommendation on reddit or slashdot. Will check it out, many thanks.
- rrdharan 4y agoThis looks great, thanks!
- SanjayMehta 4y agoThanks! Just downloaded the trial version and it looks very promising. The ios app has family sharing enabled which is a big plus. And the support is reminiscent of 1Password in their indie days.
- onehair 4y agoWhile you're free to get over it, I will stick to working with standalone software. I use KeePassXC + DropBox (or any other syncing tool) Ah, and no telemetry there ;-)
- yunwal 4y agoNot sure if the winky-face was sarcasm, but in case not, dropbox collects lots of telemetry https://www.dropboxforum.com/t5/Integrations/Why-So-Much-Telemetry/td-p/455961/page/3 https://www.dropboxforum.com/t5/Integrations/Why-So-Much-Tel...
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- torstenvl 4y ago> it just doesn't work for 1Password, financially That is clearly not true. 1Password was around for over fifteen years and was profitable well before their Series A-C that set unrealistic growth targets. The financials were sound, which is why a non-startup was able to get that kind of financing at that kind of valuation to begin with.
- koliber 4y agoI just got a notification from 1Password today that the chrome extension will stop working on July 1 and that I need to upgrade. I don’t know if I can continue to use the version I paid for once that happens and might need to move to the subscription. I hope that’s not the case but haven’t looked into it yet. Does anyone know if it will be possible to continue using 1Password past July 1 without a subscription?
- acjacobson 4y agoThe Firefox extension still works for the moment.
- TechRemarker 4y agoAgreed. Individuals/Families make their opinions clear on the issue publicly and through support channels. But 1P cares about the enterprise market which is much more valuable currently and those clients presumably provide less vocal feedback, so this tool will be more to capture their data to make decisions based on that. It's unfortunate, as 1P is such a great product overall, but like products such as Spark Mail, all seem to end up building on the backs of consumers, to make it to the holy grail of enterprise. Then customers are left with the products aimed for mass market that lacks all the power user features they are accustomed too.
- rconti 4y agoIt stopped working for me when I couldn't install the Chrome extension for 1Password 7 on my work machine. I've finally given in, after years of being a licenseholder of 1Password 6 and 7 (and maybe 5?) ... and I'm mixed. Definitely plenty of migration pains, you have to set aside time in your life to make this change. Most of us just want our stuff to keep working the way it worked yesterday, and not have yet another chore in our lives.
- sneed_chucker 4y ago> Most of us just want our stuff to keep working the way it worked yesterday, and not have yet another chore in our lives. This rings true for me in so many ways.
- mrjin 4y agoI realized the posture towards the vendors really should be: I don't give a f*ck on how you do it, but if I'm not happy, I'll turn to alternatives.
- makk 4y agoUsers: The UI/UX of 1Password 7 is pretty good. We're happy. 1Password: Yeah, but we're bored. So, we'll release an abomination as 1Password 8 and then spend years trying to figure out why people hate it.
- mike503 4y agoI held on to 1P7 as long as I could. The integrations when they work are pretty amazing and was worth upgrading to keep those functional. But still, didn't need to do those app changes for integration improvements.
- pindab0ter 4y agoHow and is 1Password 8 an abomination?
- microtonal 4y agoCurrently literally consuming 1.4GiB memory on my machine... for a password manager?
- V__ 4y agoThis doesn't match with my personal experience. On Windows10 1Password is using locked about 5MB Ram, unlocked 30MB when idle. It shoots up to 150MB when actively being used, but as soon as I close the window, it's back to normal. Firefox extension takes about 1MB of Ram.
- smcleod 4y agoI suspect your windows process viewer is only showing you the thread that's running the foreground window or something like that, it's chonky as.
- microtonal 4y agoThis is currently without having the app window open: https://i.imgur.com/6NjKKhZ.png https://i.imgur.com/6NjKKhZ.png Or if you prefer htop: https://i.imgur.com/XfZZm9B.png https://i.imgur.com/XfZZm9B.png Such memory use is pretty normal when 1Password is running on macOS for some time. And it runs all the time (I think for the UI autofill stuff etc.).
- ROFISH 4y agoEven more hilarious: I have recorded customer service events specifically stating against all three of those. I liked 1Password when it was an amazing Mac-only app. Now it's just another Electron app I can throw away and discard for different Electron app, there's nothing special about it. The problem is that I don't see any particular alternative. I don't like Bitwarden's security (password is provided to the server to partially unlock so a malware server or MITM could get the password) and LastPass has known issues. EDIT: And standalone apps are neat and cool, but doesn't let me share the Netflix password with my family.
- flangola7 4y ago>password is provided to the server What is this you say?
- haarolean 4y ago> password is provided to the server No, it’s not? I can unlock my offline vault with no internet access at all.
- hmnd0 4y ago> password is provided to the server to partially unlock so a malware server or MITM could get the password That is completely false. "The Master Password is cleared from memory after usage and never transmitted over the Internet to Bitwarden servers, therefore there is no way to recover the password in the event that you forget it."[0] [0]: https://bitwarden.com/help/bitwarden-security-white-paper/ https://bitwarden.com/help/bitwarden-security-white-paper/
- electroly 4y agoThe problem here is the most vocal users are often not representative of the whole userbase. As a concrete response, I'm fine with the 1Password subscription, I think the new Electron rewrite is at least as good as the old one, and the cloud hosting is the whole reason I'm using 1Password. I just don't talk about it because what is there to say? They really wouldn't know except that I keep paying my bill.
- austhrow743 4y agoThe most vocal users are often representative of the most stingy users.
- illiarian 4y ago> I think the new Electron rewrite is at least as good as the old one Of course it isn't. The search alone is unusable. Instead of fixing it someone on the team sneaked in a second search that almost behaves like the old one
- KomoD 4y agoWhat's the issue with search, instead of just saying it's "unusable"?
- illiarian 4y agoInstead of filtering the list as it used to, it now shows a dropdown list with truncated one-line entries. That's the default `Edit -> Search` For no reason other than they don't understand what UX is anymore they now have `Edit -> Find` that behaves almost like the previous version's search did.
- 1123581321 4y agoYou're talking about the autocomplete. If you want to finish a search and keep the list filtered, hit cmd+enter. Or use the global search (cmd+shft+space) to operate on live autocomplete results with keyboard shortcuts like a launcher app.
- rkagerer 4y agoThis comment is a perfect synopsis, wish I could upvote it 10x.
- smcleod 4y agoDon't forget: 1Password: We /have/ to move to Electron because we don't have any money. Also 1Password: oh hey by the way we got $920,000,000 from VC...