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OpenAI is anything but open, with the same logic nvidia should try to apply for "GPU" trademark.

by Aperocky 4y ago

GloriousKoji 4y ago
nVidia already went further than a GPU trademark and tried to claim the "gaming" label as a geforce only thing.
- Aperocky 4y ago
  At least it's not named "OpenVidia"
- gabereiser 4y ago
  Would ya’ll stop giving them ideas?! You know their lawyers read HN!!
RC_ITR 4y ago
Sony invented the term GPU. The G stood for geometry then, but “graphics” is just a backsolve. NVDA is might have a claim on “graphics processing unit” but that’s a way less valuable mark than “GPU” https://www.computer.org/publications/tech-news/chasing-pixels/is-it-time-to-rename-the-gpu/ https://www.computer.org/publications/tech-news/chasing-pixe...
paxys 4y ago
Don't give them ideas
davidkuennen 4y ago
They make their AI accessible to anyone. Sounds pretty open to me. Maybe not for developers, since they associate „open“ with open source, but surely for everyone else.
- Y_Y 4y ago
  Isn't that the same as any other company offering services for money? The fact that they give freebies doesn't make them "open". It would be far too vague, nevermind that "open" already has a specific well-established meaning in the context.
- turingfeel 4y ago
  Do you consider Apple an "open" company because they allow you to purchase an iPhone from them rather than keeping it for themselves?
  - sebzim4500 4y ago
    No, but if their competitors didn't let you buy a phone then I might.
- isaacremuant 4y ago
  Then any software with a free tier is open. Because ChatGPT can't even be used worldwide. Defining it as such, makes it meaningless. Open, in software, means much greater access.
  - sokoloff 4y ago
    Most executives and schoolchildren didn’t know what the hell they were a year ago. Now my middle schoolers are playing with them. That’s greater access by any reasonable measure.
    - rurp 4y ago
      You could have said the same thing about Netflix a decade ago, but naming themselves OpenStreaming would have been just as ridiculous. Having a popular product has nothing to do with being an open company.
- drexlspivey 4y ago
  Any company that sells a product is open then
- alexandre_m 4y ago
  This is correct. It might not be the openness that OSS developers expect, but they're providing a platform for anyone to build on top of, whether it be hobbyist projects or commercial products.
  - rurp 4y ago
    Yes, of course, "anyone" can build a project on this platform. Unless of course they are anonymous, or broke, or want to touch on various medical topics, or demagraphic topics, or mention genitals, or if they violate any of the other dozens of vague current and future restrictions that OpenAI has in place.
  - olyjohn 4y ago
    Anybody can go buy a Camry and use it to build a business, sell Uber rides, or even use it as a platform to build aftermarket parts for converting them into taxis. That doesn't make Toyota open in any way.
    - zamnos 4y ago
      It makes Toyota more open than Rolls Royce though. ChatGPT for free is amazing. $20/month is a steal. OpenAI could easily have chosen to be TotallyClosedAI, charged way more, and not have released it to the general public, leading the general public to flounder as tech elites suddenly became more productive, leaving everyone else behind. Also, don't forget, it's only due to the Magnusson act and other acts that we have rights beyond what Ford wants to grant us on our cars. (Since Ford was the one in that lawsuit, Toyota came later.) If it were up to manufacturers, the hood would be welded shut, we wouldn't be allowed to use aftermarket parts at all, and they'd take a cut of every Uber ride. I don't see Congress acting in the case of OpenToTheGeneralPublicAI and ChatGPT, unfortunately, but the car analogy falls short because software isn't the same as physical goods. Toyota's info about what cars are doing after being sold is limited, but they have to get them in the hands of customers. OpenAI can just let customers use ChatGPT via the website or an API and it's usable by customers.
hnfong 4y ago
"Linux" is trademarked - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute OpenAI is anything but open, but IMHO trademarking their product names is one of their more reasonable actions.
- Aperocky 4y ago
  Trademark ChatGPT, or even GPT-4, but no GPT. It's like trademarking "Operating System", completely ridiculous.

OpenAI is anything but open, with the same logic nvidia should try to apply for "GPU" trademark.

GloriousKoji 4y ago

nVidia already went further than a GPU trademark and tried to claim the "gaming" label as a geforce only thing.

Aperocky 4y ago
At least it's not named "OpenVidia"
gabereiser 4y ago
Would ya’ll stop giving them ideas?! You know their lawyers read HN!!

RC_ITR 4y ago

Sony invented the term GPU. The G stood for geometry then, but “graphics” is just a backsolve. NVDA is might have a claim on “graphics processing unit” but that’s a way less valuable mark than “GPU” https://www.computer.org/publications/tech-news/chasing-pixels/is-it-time-to-rename-the-gpu/ https://www.computer.org/publications/tech-news/chasing-pixe...

paxys 4y ago

Don't give them ideas

davidkuennen 4y ago

They make their AI accessible to anyone. Sounds pretty open to me. Maybe not for developers, since they associate „open“ with open source, but surely for everyone else.

Y_Y 4y ago
Isn't that the same as any other company offering services for money? The fact that they give freebies doesn't make them "open". It would be far too vague, nevermind that "open" already has a specific well-established meaning in the context.
turingfeel 4y ago
Do you consider Apple an "open" company because they allow you to purchase an iPhone from them rather than keeping it for themselves?
- sebzim4500 4y ago
  No, but if their competitors didn't let you buy a phone then I might.
isaacremuant 4y ago
Then any software with a free tier is open. Because ChatGPT can't even be used worldwide. Defining it as such, makes it meaningless. Open, in software, means much greater access.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  Most executives and schoolchildren didn’t know what the hell they were a year ago. Now my middle schoolers are playing with them. That’s greater access by any reasonable measure.
  - rurp 4y ago
    You could have said the same thing about Netflix a decade ago, but naming themselves OpenStreaming would have been just as ridiculous. Having a popular product has nothing to do with being an open company.
drexlspivey 4y ago
Any company that sells a product is open then
alexandre_m 4y ago
This is correct. It might not be the openness that OSS developers expect, but they're providing a platform for anyone to build on top of, whether it be hobbyist projects or commercial products.
- rurp 4y ago
  Yes, of course, "anyone" can build a project on this platform. Unless of course they are anonymous, or broke, or want to touch on various medical topics, or demagraphic topics, or mention genitals, or if they violate any of the other dozens of vague current and future restrictions that OpenAI has in place.
- olyjohn 4y ago
  Anybody can go buy a Camry and use it to build a business, sell Uber rides, or even use it as a platform to build aftermarket parts for converting them into taxis. That doesn't make Toyota open in any way.
  - zamnos 4y ago
    It makes Toyota more open than Rolls Royce though. ChatGPT for free is amazing. $20/month is a steal. OpenAI could easily have chosen to be TotallyClosedAI, charged way more, and not have released it to the general public, leading the general public to flounder as tech elites suddenly became more productive, leaving everyone else behind. Also, don't forget, it's only due to the Magnusson act and other acts that we have rights beyond what Ford wants to grant us on our cars. (Since Ford was the one in that lawsuit, Toyota came later.) If it were up to manufacturers, the hood would be welded shut, we wouldn't be allowed to use aftermarket parts at all, and they'd take a cut of every Uber ride. I don't see Congress acting in the case of OpenToTheGeneralPublicAI and ChatGPT, unfortunately, but the car analogy falls short because software isn't the same as physical goods. Toyota's info about what cars are doing after being sold is limited, but they have to get them in the hands of customers. OpenAI can just let customers use ChatGPT via the website or an API and it's usable by customers.

hnfong 4y ago

"Linux" is trademarked - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Mark_Institute OpenAI is anything but open, but IMHO trademarking their product names is one of their more reasonable actions.

Aperocky 4y ago
Trademark ChatGPT, or even GPT-4, but no GPT. It's like trademarking "Operating System", completely ridiculous.