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> the bill was eventually dropped If you're referring to the Electronic Communications Bill, it did indeed become an act. And in fact it contained an explicit
by darrenf 3y ago
> the bill was eventually dropped
If you're referring to the Electronic Communications Bill, it did indeed become an act. And in fact it contained an explicit section prohibiting the imposition of escrow (which has not been removed by any subsequent amendments): https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/7/part/III https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/7/part/III
14 Prohibition on key escrow requirements
(1) Subject to subsection (2), nothing in this Act shall confer any power on any Minister of the Crown, on the Scottish Ministers, on the National Assembly for Wales or on any person appointed under section 3—
(a) by conditions of an approval under Part I, or
(b) by any regulations or order under this Act,
to impose a requirement on any person to deposit a key for electronic data with another person.
What's more, you can read a transcript of a parliamentary debate about escrow where all sides were keen to ensure it was clearly not part of the final text https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2000-01-25a.174.1 https://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2000-01-25a.174.1
The debate on key escrow raged for some time. Foremost among the original proponents of key escrow was my hon. Friend the Member for Esher and Walton (Mr. Taylor). However, the debate has moved on—as has my hon. Friend, who has changed his mind because we have learned much more about the matter. All credit is due to him for that.
It was thus crucial that key escrow should not be included in the Bill. There would be no power for the Government, or for some agency, to demand that the key—as between public and private—for the de-encryption of material could be deposited with a third party. However, we were concerned that key escrow might be introduced through the back door.
- InCityDreams 3y ago>Friend, who has changed his mind because we have learned much more about the matter. All credit is due to him for that. Complimented for being a rational human being, no less.
- AlecSchueler 3y agoAlways good to reinforce positive behaviour especially amongst legislators.
- pjc50 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Taylor_(British_politician) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Taylor_(British_politician... : appears to be the now almost vanished old school type of conservative. Member of the Worshipful Company of Information Technologists, so at least knows some tech people. Europhile, to the extent of quitting the party over Brexit. Pro-space exploration. Anti-Iraq-war. No wonder he quit.
- darrenf 3y agoAnd the people of Esher & Walton are now served by ... Dominic Raab.
- ndsipa_pomu 3y agoI wonder how he treats his constituents. Hopefully better than civil servants.
- IshKebab 3y agoSurely you are aware how rare it is for people to admit that they are wrong? If you take social consequences into account it's not even irrational for people to resist having to do that. Especially for politicians! So yes, he should be given credit for it.
- saurik 3y agoThat the key escrow portion was finally dropped is not somehow incompatible with it being there in the first place. Maybe your comment is just trying to clarify the timeline--due to a pedantic complaint that if a bill is changed to not do something it isn't the entire bill that was "dropped"--but it frankly is coming off like some kind of attempt to gaslight the thread down a path of "this was never a concern and no one was suggesting this". https://www.telepolis.de/features/UK-Electronic-Communications-Act-Creates-Legal-Perils-3443971.html https://www.telepolis.de/features/UK-Electronic-Communicatio...
- darrenf 3y ago> frankly is coming off like some kind of attempt to gaslight the thread down a path of "this was never a concern and no one was suggesting this". I mean, I literally quoted an MP saying "The debate on key escrow raged for some time" and linked to the full debate in which it was spoken; hardly a sensible "escrow was never a concern" move. The Telepolis link backs this up with detail - escrow was proposed by the Tories, pledged against yet initially retained by Labour, and eventually withdrawn. The comment to which I was replying said that an entire bill was junked. I think it's much more interesting, and indeed important, to note that in actuality the act passed with an explicit prohibition of escrow. If the bill was dropped then it would likely have been a case of the govt going, oh, damn, we got embarrassed - kill it for now, we'll come back to it later, but bury it under something else. But no - there was public debate, and democracy functioned as we would all hope - a terrible idea was proposed, defeated, and legislated against.
- seanhunter 3y agoThat's the one. Really cool you unearthed taht. Thanks.