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Sometimes I feel its time to build separate Internet with a new protocol like Gemini but better. A protocol tht is resistant to all the BS of modern web.

solarkraft 3y ago
Rich Harris has put it nicely: The web doesn't suck because of frameworks, it sucks because of capitalism. https://youtu.be/uXCipjbcQfM?t=1m29s https://youtu.be/uXCipjbcQfM?t=1m29s The advantage of Gemini and consorts is that simply nobody has tried to commercialize it because they have almost no users (like the early internet).
- yurishimo 3y ago
  Small sidebar, but I really enjoyed this talk. So much so that I'm going to go try out Svelte having been a big fan of Vue for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I probably won't switch, but I think it's worth exploring the ideas of such an intelligent person across multiple facets of their professional outputs. I even learned a few things hanging out in React land a few years ago! Really excited to see where Rich goes over the next decade.
hiatus 3y ago
What sorts of resistance does Gemini have? How does it prevent ads and commercial use?
- pluijzer 3y ago
  Like a previous comment mentioned, the only resistance is that it as a small user base and it makes no commercial sense to pit any ads there. This also makes is resistant to insincere content. There is no need for low effort click-bait content because if you would like to attract lots of users you wouldn't be publishing on Gemini.
  - quaintdev 3y ago
    This. Early days of Internet were exactly like this.
yamtaddle 3y ago
The key thing to cut out is the ability of web site owners to make clients initiate connections or exfiltrate information without the user's say-so. That plus the profit motive have made most of the Web spyware—and you're not gonna get rid of the profit motive, so it'd be more effective to make the Web practically impossible to use to distribute spyware. The Web needs far more capable built-in UI elements, and to remove most ability to script it. Including a great deal of CSS, which is under-rated as a source of bloat and slowness on the Web I think, in addition to having become a privacy threat. Never gonna happen, but it's nice to imagine.
rchaud 3y ago
Why stop at Gemini? You could bring internet navigation back to a CLI-only interface and someone would find a way to show ads. Heck, NPM of all things had ads until they sent out a community-wide request to stop that: https://github.com/zloirock/core-js/issues/635 https://github.com/zloirock/core-js/issues/635 The problem isn't the permissibility of a web browser. It's that we live in a capitalistic world; someone somewhere will always be trying to figure out how to post a bill on a wall that reads "POST NO BILLS".

solarkraft 3y ago

Rich Harris has put it nicely: The web doesn't suck because of frameworks, it sucks because of capitalism. https://youtu.be/uXCipjbcQfM?t=1m29s https://youtu.be/uXCipjbcQfM?t=1m29s The advantage of Gemini and consorts is that simply nobody has tried to commercialize it because they have almost no users (like the early internet).

yurishimo 3y ago
Small sidebar, but I really enjoyed this talk. So much so that I'm going to go try out Svelte having been a big fan of Vue for a long time. Don't get me wrong, I probably won't switch, but I think it's worth exploring the ideas of such an intelligent person across multiple facets of their professional outputs. I even learned a few things hanging out in React land a few years ago! Really excited to see where Rich goes over the next decade.

hiatus 3y ago

What sorts of resistance does Gemini have? How does it prevent ads and commercial use?

pluijzer 3y ago
Like a previous comment mentioned, the only resistance is that it as a small user base and it makes no commercial sense to pit any ads there. This also makes is resistant to insincere content. There is no need for low effort click-bait content because if you would like to attract lots of users you wouldn't be publishing on Gemini.
- quaintdev 3y ago
  This. Early days of Internet were exactly like this.

yamtaddle 3y ago

The key thing to cut out is the ability of web site owners to make clients initiate connections or exfiltrate information without the user's say-so. That plus the profit motive have made most of the Web spyware—and you're not gonna get rid of the profit motive, so it'd be more effective to make the Web practically impossible to use to distribute spyware. The Web needs far more capable built-in UI elements, and to remove most ability to script it. Including a great deal of CSS, which is under-rated as a source of bloat and slowness on the Web I think, in addition to having become a privacy threat. Never gonna happen, but it's nice to imagine.

rchaud 3y ago

Why stop at Gemini? You could bring internet navigation back to a CLI-only interface and someone would find a way to show ads. Heck, NPM of all things had ads until they sent out a community-wide request to stop that: https://github.com/zloirock/core-js/issues/635 https://github.com/zloirock/core-js/issues/635 The problem isn't the permissibility of a web browser. It's that we live in a capitalistic world; someone somewhere will always be trying to figure out how to post a bill on a wall that reads "POST NO BILLS".