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It is in need of competition. That's coming very soon to the EU.

by Gareth321 4y ago

Aeolun 4y ago
Could one of the sideloaded apps be a separate app store?
- DaiPlusPlus 4y ago
  What userspace API exists (for non-App Store iOS apps) for one app to install another and integrate with iOS’ App Management features? or basically, to break-out of the iOS App Silo/Sandbox? The only alternative is basically a VM-like app silo that hosts other apps inside of it… I can see this working for something like a Java JVM “Jar-runner” or MAME but I’m not sure how it would work for native code that assumes it has its own process and void main() method. I’m hoping that we’ll see something like how Cydia was around 2013ish (with managed system extensions, kernel-mode things, enhancements to Springboard, etc) but that’s the last thing Apple would want (case-in-point, where have all the cool system-modifying kexts for desktop MacOS gone?) - so I suspect Apple’s EU-only sideloading will still protect system integrity, maybe even with a way to completely block non-AppStore apps’ processes from using non-public (but still usermode) APIs and services? Considering how unprofessionally petulant and churlish Apple acted in the aftermath of the Dutch dating-app spat last year I’m expecting them to do the same with this. See https://daringfireball.net/2022/02/going_dutch https://daringfireball.net/2022/02/going_dutch
  - jeroenhd 4y ago
    > What userspace API exists (for non-App Store iOS apps) for one app to install another and integrate with iOS’ App Management features? or basically, to break-out of the iOS App Silo/Sandbox? I don't know anything about the iOS API, but I imagine the EU market regulators will come up with a pretty huge fine if these APIs aren't made available. The whole point of the DMA app restrictions is to take out such digital gatekeeping. There would need to be a competitor for any real antitrust efforts, but I imagine Epic might want to open up their own store to distribute games like Fortnite without paying the Apple tax.
- Gareth321 4y ago
  Yes! The DMA specifically permits app stores.

It is in need of competition. That's coming very soon to the EU.

Aeolun 4y ago

Could one of the sideloaded apps be a separate app store?

DaiPlusPlus 4y ago
What userspace API exists (for non-App Store iOS apps) for one app to install another and integrate with iOS’ App Management features? or basically, to break-out of the iOS App Silo/Sandbox? The only alternative is basically a VM-like app silo that hosts other apps inside of it… I can see this working for something like a Java JVM “Jar-runner” or MAME but I’m not sure how it would work for native code that assumes it has its own process and void main() method. I’m hoping that we’ll see something like how Cydia was around 2013ish (with managed system extensions, kernel-mode things, enhancements to Springboard, etc) but that’s the last thing Apple would want (case-in-point, where have all the cool system-modifying kexts for desktop MacOS gone?) - so I suspect Apple’s EU-only sideloading will still protect system integrity, maybe even with a way to completely block non-AppStore apps’ processes from using non-public (but still usermode) APIs and services? Considering how unprofessionally petulant and churlish Apple acted in the aftermath of the Dutch dating-app spat last year I’m expecting them to do the same with this. See https://daringfireball.net/2022/02/going_dutch https://daringfireball.net/2022/02/going_dutch
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  > What userspace API exists (for non-App Store iOS apps) for one app to install another and integrate with iOS’ App Management features? or basically, to break-out of the iOS App Silo/Sandbox? I don't know anything about the iOS API, but I imagine the EU market regulators will come up with a pretty huge fine if these APIs aren't made available. The whole point of the DMA app restrictions is to take out such digital gatekeeping. There would need to be a competitor for any real antitrust efforts, but I imagine Epic might want to open up their own store to distribute games like Fortnite without paying the Apple tax.
Gareth321 4y ago
Yes! The DMA specifically permits app stores.