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That’s the point. The purpose of these advances is to get to the Supreme Court in the hope that a more conservative court will overturn precedent. Expect more o

by api 4y ago

That’s the point. The purpose of these advances is to get to the Supreme Court in the hope that a more conservative court will overturn precedent. Expect more of this including attempts to overturn things long ago considered settled. Birth control, the legality of homosexuality, free speech, desegregation, red lining, employment discrimination, all these things will probably be relitigated soon. This is the culmination of a decades long push to stack the courts and government bureaucracies that in some cases started literally at birth with kids who are homeschooled or private schooled and raised to be soldiers for the cause.

bediger4000 4y ago
That implies that quite a few Justices lied to get on the court. As far as I'm aware, all of them claimed that lots of precedents were settled law during confirmation hearings. I refuse to believe that anyone would lie to become a judge. It's flat out unamerican.
- heyoni 4y ago
  Didn’t that happen with Roe v Wade?
- krapp 4y ago
  All of the Justices appointed by Trump - which pushed the majority towards the conservative - were selected from a list created by the Federalist Society[0] specifically for their conservative ideology, which by definition includes opposition to Roe v. Wade. Given how strongly conservatives hold to the belief that the US has been corrupted by federalism, secularism and progressivism, it isn't at all surprising that justices would lie during confirmation, since they believe they're serving a higher cause. In fact, Democrats are accusing them of doing exactly that[0] by claiming "settled precedent" for Roe V. Wade, which they later overturned. Of course, it's not difficult to find arguments to the contrary, the polarized optics of American politics being what it is. I'm sure Team Red has a list of examples of nominees by the Democrats who they claim did the same thing, but that doesn't disprove the thesis. [0]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/01/how-the-federalist-society-became-the-de-facto-selector-of-republican-supreme-court-justices.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/01/how-the-federali... [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/28/did-supreme-court-justices-lie-by-claiming-they-wouldnt-overturn-roe-v-wade-heres-what-they-actually-said/?sh=774fefcc5420 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/28/did-sup... [2]https://www.heritage.org/life/commentary/the-justices-didnt-lie-about-roe-v-wade-and-democrats-know-it https://www.heritage.org/life/commentary/the-justices-didnt-... >I refuse to believe that anyone would lie to become a judge. It's flat out unamerican. On the contrary, it's perfectly American. American politics is and always has been rotten to the core.
- j_crick 4y ago
  > I refuse to believe that anyone would lie to become a judge. Then you don’t know people at all. American or not, people will lie for far lesser things if they think they can get away with it.
jimbob45 4y ago
Which is weird because Dobbs was a rebuke of ambiguity in the Constitution. There’s no ambiguity in “separation of church and state”. However, if I was a conservative, I’d want to distance myself from Dobbs as far as possible because the next most ambiguous item in the Constitution is the second amendment.
- api 4y ago
  A prediction I have made for years: it will be the right, specifically the national conservatives, who “come for the guns.” You can see little seeds of it in the shifting discourse after one mass shooter turned out to be trans. Just wait. It will happen if they gain real broad spectrum power. The deal will be “now that good nationalist hard right wingers now run the police and FBI you don’t need those guns anymore, and we can’t have dangerous degenerates with guns now can we?” Think I’m nuts? Look at how fast the Trumpists were able to flip the militia / conspiracy subcultures into supporting secret mass arrests and limitless state power as long as “the patriots are in control.” Look at the whole Q narrative and adjacent things. Total 180 degree flip into cheering for the stuff they were paranoid about for decades. Fascists always lock down power as soon as they have it. They will also ban encryption and cryptocurrency. The Greenwald orbit will act really surprised. Maybe that surprise will be genuine. After totalitarians come to power there’s always a subset of their supporters who are very surprised when they get instantly tossed under the bus. The left likes to scream and virtue signal about guns but they’re not truly or deeply authoritarian enough to do what it would take to execute on it. (Which is a good thing.) They also tend toward a maximalist interpretation of the rights afforded by the constitution, which makes it hard to argue for a very narrow interpretation of the second amendment without tossing things like gay rights and reproductive rights.
  - sharemywin 4y ago
    I noticed now the headlines are people getting shot doing random reasonably innocent things. - fetching a ball from a yard. - pulling into a drive way - opening the wrong car door because it looked like yours
  - kgwxd 4y ago

by api 4y ago

bediger4000 4y ago

That implies that quite a few Justices lied to get on the court. As far as I'm aware, all of them claimed that lots of precedents were settled law during confirmation hearings. I refuse to believe that anyone would lie to become a judge. It's flat out unamerican.

heyoni 4y ago
Didn’t that happen with Roe v Wade?
krapp 4y ago
All of the Justices appointed by Trump - which pushed the majority towards the conservative - were selected from a list created by the Federalist Society[0] specifically for their conservative ideology, which by definition includes opposition to Roe v. Wade. Given how strongly conservatives hold to the belief that the US has been corrupted by federalism, secularism and progressivism, it isn't at all surprising that justices would lie during confirmation, since they believe they're serving a higher cause. In fact, Democrats are accusing them of doing exactly that[0] by claiming "settled precedent" for Roe V. Wade, which they later overturned. Of course, it's not difficult to find arguments to the contrary, the polarized optics of American politics being what it is. I'm sure Team Red has a list of examples of nominees by the Democrats who they claim did the same thing, but that doesn't disprove the thesis. [0]https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/01/how-the-federalist-society-became-the-de-facto-selector-of-republican-supreme-court-justices.html https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/01/how-the-federali... [1]https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/28/did-supreme-court-justices-lie-by-claiming-they-wouldnt-overturn-roe-v-wade-heres-what-they-actually-said/?sh=774fefcc5420 https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/06/28/did-sup... [2]https://www.heritage.org/life/commentary/the-justices-didnt-lie-about-roe-v-wade-and-democrats-know-it https://www.heritage.org/life/commentary/the-justices-didnt-... >I refuse to believe that anyone would lie to become a judge. It's flat out unamerican. On the contrary, it's perfectly American. American politics is and always has been rotten to the core.
j_crick 4y ago
> I refuse to believe that anyone would lie to become a judge. Then you don’t know people at all. American or not, people will lie for far lesser things if they think they can get away with it.

jimbob45 4y ago

Which is weird because Dobbs was a rebuke of ambiguity in the Constitution. There’s no ambiguity in “separation of church and state”. However, if I was a conservative, I’d want to distance myself from Dobbs as far as possible because the next most ambiguous item in the Constitution is the second amendment.

api 4y ago
A prediction I have made for years: it will be the right, specifically the national conservatives, who “come for the guns.” You can see little seeds of it in the shifting discourse after one mass shooter turned out to be trans. Just wait. It will happen if they gain real broad spectrum power. The deal will be “now that good nationalist hard right wingers now run the police and FBI you don’t need those guns anymore, and we can’t have dangerous degenerates with guns now can we?” Think I’m nuts? Look at how fast the Trumpists were able to flip the militia / conspiracy subcultures into supporting secret mass arrests and limitless state power as long as “the patriots are in control.” Look at the whole Q narrative and adjacent things. Total 180 degree flip into cheering for the stuff they were paranoid about for decades. Fascists always lock down power as soon as they have it. They will also ban encryption and cryptocurrency. The Greenwald orbit will act really surprised. Maybe that surprise will be genuine. After totalitarians come to power there’s always a subset of their supporters who are very surprised when they get instantly tossed under the bus. The left likes to scream and virtue signal about guns but they’re not truly or deeply authoritarian enough to do what it would take to execute on it. (Which is a good thing.) They also tend toward a maximalist interpretation of the rights afforded by the constitution, which makes it hard to argue for a very narrow interpretation of the second amendment without tossing things like gay rights and reproductive rights.
- sharemywin 4y ago
  I noticed now the headlines are people getting shot doing random reasonably innocent things. - fetching a ball from a yard. - pulling into a drive way - opening the wrong car door because it looked like yours
- kgwxd 4y ago