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I think having a psychanalyst, fan of Jung and subscribing his 'theories' as a role model, however articulate he is, should be as lauded as having a 'homeopath'

by orwin 4y ago

I think having a psychanalyst, fan of Jung and subscribing his 'theories' as a role model, however articulate he is, should be as lauded as having a 'homeopath' as a doctor. I'm sorry, I know there is a lot of French and Canadians here, but let's get real, psychanalysts are expensive and barely usefull (you get to talk to someone), and make money on loneliness and isolation. Buy an escort instead, it's more useful imho.

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
Okay, how about the guy who started building houses for vets? Or just whatever local guy who is doing good in your neighborhood? I know a guy who does bbq for charity. That guys great. 10/10 masculine role model.
- orwin 4y ago
  Sorry, i really don't care that much about US culture war, you can have role models you want as long as they're not crooks. I hated that JP brought Psychanalysis to the US (who have real psychologists, unlike in my country) way before he became a culture war hero/vilain. The number of years psychoanalysts destroy is quite high. In my mother's case, 30, and 4 different psychoanalysts . She changed to a behavioral psychologist with my insistance, the psychologist told her after 20 minutes "I think you are bipolar madam, you can alleviate your symptoms by doing X regularly and being careful of Y, but you should go to a psychiatrist". She got to a hospital, go some lithium, and is finally easy to live with (to bad her relationship with my sister is already destroyed). 40 to 60 euros every two weeks for almost 30 year vs 60 euros once. Psychoanalysts are crooks. ==== My role models are my grandfathers and my father (and one of my uncles, kinda), so i don't need any celebrity, local or global. The advantage of having a mostly good family.
  - CapstanRoller 4y ago
    >I hated that JP brought Psychanalysis to the US (who have real psychologists, unlike in my country) >Psychoanalysts are crooks. In the USA, there are two specializations in the field of primary mental health care: psychologists (people who talk to you) and psychiatrists (people who prescribe psychotropic medication). The former is a highly-trained counselor who can debug thought processes or situations (software), the latter is a medical doctor who can debug physiological issues within the brain (hardware). Both are critically important to holistic mental health care and maintenance.
zamnos 4y ago
We barely know anything about the brain. We don't know how consciousness arises from a collection of neurons. So talk therapy is the best we've got. Sure, pay a sex worker for an hour so you've got 59 minutes to talk about your loneliness with, after you finish having sex with her if you'd rather talk to a woman you paid to have sex with instead of a licensed and trained professional listen to you. (And to be fair some sex workers are actually really great therapists due to what their profession involves.) But you be real. Women don't have the same epidemic of loneliness as men because they talk to each other. Talking about your loneliness and isolation helps address the problem. Sulking at home and jeering at people who go to years of school to learn how to help people address problems in their lives, (and then gasp charge money for goods and services under capitalism) is a very counterproductive viewpoint.
- orwin 4y ago
  If by 'talk therapy' you mean psychoanalysis, it's not at all the best we have. I mean, I know some people prefer lithotherapy and homeotherapy over evidence-based medecine, but I would not argue that they're 'the best we have'. I'm not a fan of hypnosis at all (I prefer therapies that involve the patient becoming an agent), but it's cheaper, shorter, and have empirically a better success rate, and a lower remission rate. We don't know how it work but we can mesure how much it does, an in case of psychoanalysis, it doesn't. Take homeopathic antidepressant with a certified homeopath, it'll work the same. Psychoanalyst are entrenched in a early 20th century view of the human brain, just listen to them talking about autism. 'trained professional' psychoanalyst have the same effect on me as a 'trained professional' sorcerer does, except I can play pathfinder with the second. I don't really care that they charge money now that my mom got out of their claws, just as I didn't really care about cryptocurrencies grifters charging money for financial advice, my typical friends and family are not the usual prey so I don't feel threatened. I'm just sad that as American women managed to escape this grift (unlike French women), young American men seems to fall into the trap.

by orwin 4y ago

SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago

Okay, how about the guy who started building houses for vets? Or just whatever local guy who is doing good in your neighborhood? I know a guy who does bbq for charity. That guys great. 10/10 masculine role model.

orwin 4y ago
Sorry, i really don't care that much about US culture war, you can have role models you want as long as they're not crooks. I hated that JP brought Psychanalysis to the US (who have real psychologists, unlike in my country) way before he became a culture war hero/vilain. The number of years psychoanalysts destroy is quite high. In my mother's case, 30, and 4 different psychoanalysts . She changed to a behavioral psychologist with my insistance, the psychologist told her after 20 minutes "I think you are bipolar madam, you can alleviate your symptoms by doing X regularly and being careful of Y, but you should go to a psychiatrist". She got to a hospital, go some lithium, and is finally easy to live with (to bad her relationship with my sister is already destroyed). 40 to 60 euros every two weeks for almost 30 year vs 60 euros once. Psychoanalysts are crooks. ==== My role models are my grandfathers and my father (and one of my uncles, kinda), so i don't need any celebrity, local or global. The advantage of having a mostly good family.
- CapstanRoller 4y ago
  >I hated that JP brought Psychanalysis to the US (who have real psychologists, unlike in my country) >Psychoanalysts are crooks. In the USA, there are two specializations in the field of primary mental health care: psychologists (people who talk to you) and psychiatrists (people who prescribe psychotropic medication). The former is a highly-trained counselor who can debug thought processes or situations (software), the latter is a medical doctor who can debug physiological issues within the brain (hardware). Both are critically important to holistic mental health care and maintenance.

zamnos 4y ago

We barely know anything about the brain. We don't know how consciousness arises from a collection of neurons. So talk therapy is the best we've got. Sure, pay a sex worker for an hour so you've got 59 minutes to talk about your loneliness with, after you finish having sex with her if you'd rather talk to a woman you paid to have sex with instead of a licensed and trained professional listen to you. (And to be fair some sex workers are actually really great therapists due to what their profession involves.) But you be real. Women don't have the same epidemic of loneliness as men because they talk to each other. Talking about your loneliness and isolation helps address the problem. Sulking at home and jeering at people who go to years of school to learn how to help people address problems in their lives, (and then gasp charge money for goods and services under capitalism) is a very counterproductive viewpoint.

orwin 4y ago
If by 'talk therapy' you mean psychoanalysis, it's not at all the best we have. I mean, I know some people prefer lithotherapy and homeotherapy over evidence-based medecine, but I would not argue that they're 'the best we have'. I'm not a fan of hypnosis at all (I prefer therapies that involve the patient becoming an agent), but it's cheaper, shorter, and have empirically a better success rate, and a lower remission rate. We don't know how it work but we can mesure how much it does, an in case of psychoanalysis, it doesn't. Take homeopathic antidepressant with a certified homeopath, it'll work the same. Psychoanalyst are entrenched in a early 20th century view of the human brain, just listen to them talking about autism. 'trained professional' psychoanalyst have the same effect on me as a 'trained professional' sorcerer does, except I can play pathfinder with the second. I don't really care that they charge money now that my mom got out of their claws, just as I didn't really care about cryptocurrencies grifters charging money for financial advice, my typical friends and family are not the usual prey so I don't feel threatened. I'm just sad that as American women managed to escape this grift (unlike French women), young American men seems to fall into the trap.