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And that is totally your right. But the fact that today I still cannot use a different web-browser engine than the iOS one is appalling. I cannot change the Ph

And that is totally your right. But the fact that today I still cannot use a different web-browser engine than the iOS one is appalling. I cannot change the Photos app for an app that offers native integration with my Synology. I am forced to go through iCloud.

meepmorp 4y ago
Buy another phone. That sounds incredibly glib, but a lot of Apple users feel this way. It's fine and I don't give a shit how the iPhone works by default because it works for me. It sounds like you're not the target market - go get an android and be happy. The iPhone works the way it does, and if that's a pain for you, don't use a fucking iPhone. Imagine people who love driving stick pitching a fucking bitch fit because you can't install a clutch on the automatic car you bought. Not everything in life works or will ever work exactly the way you like.
- solarkraft 4y ago
  The market isn't working. There is no alternative.
- 76SlashDolphin 4y ago
  But it's very infuriating because the iPhone does some things so right that nobody can replicate. The quality of the hardware, an actual small screen option (the iPhone 13 mini is the perfect size), magsafe is neat, etc. If I could put Android on my 13 mini I would but I have to live with iOS's issues because I like the hardware so much.
  - user_named 4y ago
    The 13 mini is too small.
    - layer8 4y ago
      It’s still too large and too heavy, I’d prefer the 5 size and weight.
    - 76SlashDolphin 4y ago
      I would say it's just a tad too small. My Pixel 5 was the perfect size but I'd take too small and able to reach all corners to too big and having to do finger gymnastics to use my device.
- flangola7 4y ago
  Fortunately this is changing with iOS 17. New EU laws mandate opening up the ecosystem.
- lenkite 4y ago
  Wrong analogy. Imagine people who love driving must always be forced to use exactly one tyre enforced by the manufacturer - despite other tyres being objectively better for their situation. Not everything in life requires you to kneel and vigorously lick the boots of a corporate overlord.
  - traceroute66 4y ago
    > Imagine people who love driving must always be forced to use exactly one tyre enforced by the manufacturer Actually that is exactly what happens. Ok, maybe not one tyre, but a small number. The car manufacturers all certify their vehicles against a small set of tyres. That's a fact. Its a necessity because choice of tyres touches almost every part of the certification process ranging from fuel economy figures to NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness) specs and parameters and many many other things. Look inside your fuel-cap flap, you'll typically find a label there showing you a list of tyre specifications, of which maybe only one or two are actually certified by the manufacturer for your exact car model. The should of course also normally be found in the owners manual too. In addition, the higher up the car spectrum you go, the tighter the definitions become. For example, the likes of Porsche actually do name precise brand and model for tyres. Sure you can go off-piste with your tyre selection. But the manufacturer will likely take great delight at voiding your warranty. And your insurance might have a thing or two to say too since you are going against manufacturers guidelines. Finally of course the on-board computer calibration will be all off too.
- realusername 4y ago
  That's exactly what I've done personaly, I've bought an Android so that everything works again for me. I also decommissioned my iOS app and consider their platform fully legacy. Any bug on safari mobile will also be marked as a wontfix, users can get an Android phone in the future.
- kaba0 4y ago
  That’s hardly an option — which other device has similarly good hardware and that good privacy? The only possibility would be a GrapheneOS-installed pixel, but the pixel is nowhere near an iphone in terms of hardware and besides all the unacceptable hardware bugs, google simply doesn’t seem to want to sell it to people. (Most of the EU is not a target for some insane reason). The real solution is government intervention, which will allow sideloading.
  - dnissley 4y ago
    Side loading may mean the 99% of people who don't care about privacy will have their preferences indulged, and if side loading becomes the norm then all of a sudden you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules.
    - kaba0 4y ago
      That's just baseless fear-mongering -- how many government apps do you have to sideload on Android? Apple doesn't have to make it accessible to grandmas, it can be shoved a few layers deep in settings so that they can never accidentally enable it, so in effect it doesn't cause any problem for that "99% of people", only benefiting the remaining 1%, so everyone can be happy (especially that the percentages are not as extreme, it would benefit much more people)
      - dnissley 4y ago
        Play store rules are much more relaxed than Apple's app store rules though. Also, not fear mongering, just speculating -- I look forward to this happening actually! Will finally be able to get an iphone and use software that isn't kneecapped by Apple's gatekeeping.
    - realusername 4y ago
      > you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules When you are a government, Apple will sides against you anyways, as seen as in China.
- drcongo 4y ago
  I only come into these threads to read the hissy fits. They always remind me of long time Windows users forced to use a Mac at work and moaning that they can't skin the Finder.
lolive 4y ago
Do you know the app PhotoSync ?
- lostlogin 4y ago
  I couldn’t get it to work. So I made the next most obvious choice - a vm which is logged into iCloud and downloads them, then rsyncs out the vm and onto a Synology file share. It’s terrible.
  - terpimost 4y ago
    Amazon photos app can just backup photos from ios. Take a look at their background upload.
afandian 4y ago
The Nextcloud app is quite good, given the constraints.

meepmorp 4y ago

Buy another phone. That sounds incredibly glib, but a lot of Apple users feel this way. It's fine and I don't give a shit how the iPhone works by default because it works for me. It sounds like you're not the target market - go get an android and be happy. The iPhone works the way it does, and if that's a pain for you, don't use a fucking iPhone. Imagine people who love driving stick pitching a fucking bitch fit because you can't install a clutch on the automatic car you bought. Not everything in life works or will ever work exactly the way you like.

solarkraft 4y ago
The market isn't working. There is no alternative.
76SlashDolphin 4y ago
But it's very infuriating because the iPhone does some things so right that nobody can replicate. The quality of the hardware, an actual small screen option (the iPhone 13 mini is the perfect size), magsafe is neat, etc. If I could put Android on my 13 mini I would but I have to live with iOS's issues because I like the hardware so much.
- user_named 4y ago
  The 13 mini is too small.
  - layer8 4y ago
    It’s still too large and too heavy, I’d prefer the 5 size and weight.
  - 76SlashDolphin 4y ago
    I would say it's just a tad too small. My Pixel 5 was the perfect size but I'd take too small and able to reach all corners to too big and having to do finger gymnastics to use my device.
flangola7 4y ago
Fortunately this is changing with iOS 17. New EU laws mandate opening up the ecosystem.
lenkite 4y ago
Wrong analogy. Imagine people who love driving must always be forced to use exactly one tyre enforced by the manufacturer - despite other tyres being objectively better for their situation. Not everything in life requires you to kneel and vigorously lick the boots of a corporate overlord.
- traceroute66 4y ago
  > Imagine people who love driving must always be forced to use exactly one tyre enforced by the manufacturer Actually that is exactly what happens. Ok, maybe not one tyre, but a small number. The car manufacturers all certify their vehicles against a small set of tyres. That's a fact. Its a necessity because choice of tyres touches almost every part of the certification process ranging from fuel economy figures to NVH (Noise, Vibration and Harshness) specs and parameters and many many other things. Look inside your fuel-cap flap, you'll typically find a label there showing you a list of tyre specifications, of which maybe only one or two are actually certified by the manufacturer for your exact car model. The should of course also normally be found in the owners manual too. In addition, the higher up the car spectrum you go, the tighter the definitions become. For example, the likes of Porsche actually do name precise brand and model for tyres. Sure you can go off-piste with your tyre selection. But the manufacturer will likely take great delight at voiding your warranty. And your insurance might have a thing or two to say too since you are going against manufacturers guidelines. Finally of course the on-board computer calibration will be all off too.
realusername 4y ago
That's exactly what I've done personaly, I've bought an Android so that everything works again for me. I also decommissioned my iOS app and consider their platform fully legacy. Any bug on safari mobile will also be marked as a wontfix, users can get an Android phone in the future.
kaba0 4y ago
That’s hardly an option — which other device has similarly good hardware and that good privacy? The only possibility would be a GrapheneOS-installed pixel, but the pixel is nowhere near an iphone in terms of hardware and besides all the unacceptable hardware bugs, google simply doesn’t seem to want to sell it to people. (Most of the EU is not a target for some insane reason). The real solution is government intervention, which will allow sideloading.
- dnissley 4y ago
  Side loading may mean the 99% of people who don't care about privacy will have their preferences indulged, and if side loading becomes the norm then all of a sudden you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules.
  - kaba0 4y ago
    That's just baseless fear-mongering -- how many government apps do you have to sideload on Android? Apple doesn't have to make it accessible to grandmas, it can be shoved a few layers deep in settings so that they can never accidentally enable it, so in effect it doesn't cause any problem for that "99% of people", only benefiting the remaining 1%, so everyone can be happy (especially that the percentages are not as extreme, it would benefit much more people)
    - dnissley 4y ago
      Play store rules are much more relaxed than Apple's app store rules though. Also, not fear mongering, just speculating -- I look forward to this happening actually! Will finally be able to get an iphone and use software that isn't kneecapped by Apple's gatekeeping.
  - realusername 4y ago
    > you'll find yourself being asked by your e.g. government or major airline to side load their app because they're tired of dealing with Apple's app store rules When you are a government, Apple will sides against you anyways, as seen as in China.
drcongo 4y ago
I only come into these threads to read the hissy fits. They always remind me of long time Windows users forced to use a Mac at work and moaning that they can't skin the Finder.

lolive 4y ago

Do you know the app PhotoSync ?

lostlogin 4y ago
I couldn’t get it to work. So I made the next most obvious choice - a vm which is logged into iCloud and downloads them, then rsyncs out the vm and onto a Synology file share. It’s terrible.
- terpimost 4y ago
  Amazon photos app can just backup photos from ios. Take a look at their background upload.

afandian 4y ago

The Nextcloud app is quite good, given the constraints.