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Welcome to the Republic of Musk. He's smarter and wealthier than everyone else, so he doesn't need to ask for permission or forgiveness.

catchnear4321 4y ago
he also has great taste in letters. why do you think he chose teXas? do you think that was an accident?
ETH_start 4y ago
When are people going to get past this pettiness, and just unite around the mission of making humanity a space spanning species.
- freejazz 4y ago
  Sorry, too busy gagging at the thought. Some of don't think there's any benefit to this or what he's doing, and that your whole argument is totally complete nonsense. It is, after all, just science fiction and a huge assumption that anything would come of it at all. It's cool that you like. I was into space when I was a kid too, went to space camp, launched rockets. But I don't need to buy into cults of personalities and their narratives. Like you are in some rush to become a belter. What a horrible reality to be in where this is your hope for the future.
  - ETH_start 4y ago
    There's orders of magnitude more resources outside of Earth than on it, and those resources can be harvested without disrupting any natural environments. In fact, off-worlding all of human civilization's resource extraction and production would do more than any other project to protect Earth's natural habitats while ensuring every individual on Earth can enjoy the high, resource-intensive, quality of life that poeple in the developed world take for granted. Starship will reduce the cost of sending material to space 10 fold and potentially much more, and this after SpaceX already reduced the per kg launch to orbit cost 10 fold and spurred a massive expansion of orbital launches: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/yearly-number-of-objects-launched-into-outer-space?country=USA~RUS~CHN~GBR~JPN~FRA~IND~DEU~European+Space+Agency https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/yearly-number-of-objects-... So all of these aspirations are realizable and the progress toward them is real. Perhaps you're addicted to being a cynic and tearing down any one who has hope, and that's why you're irrationally cynical.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      I'm not being cynical at all. The notion that your position is anything but couched cynicism is my whole damn point. It's just fanciful mysticism on your part that actually reads more like science fiction.
      - ETH_start 4y ago
        I just gave a number of reasons why this is in no way "mysticism" and why it's highly worthy to pursue, so at this point I'll just dismiss your comment as it's clear you're making zero effort to justify your ultra-cynicism.
        freejazz 4y ago
        Those aren't reasons, they are conjectures. They are not facts. It is modern mysticism. You have the cynical take on society wherein we are so unable to live on this planet, that we have no choice but to take onto barren wastelands. I'm not cynical at all, you clearly haven't thought through your assertions the slightest bit. On top of that, even granting you a positive outlook on humanity, comes up with the reality where you are saying we need to get off planet now because of a future millions of years away? Give me a break, that's EXACTLY what mysticism is. You might as well be writing a bible.
        ETH_start 3y ago
        I provided facts that make these projections credible. This bears no resemblance to mysticism. >>You have the cynical take on society wherein we are so unable to live on this planet, We can both live on this planet and harvest massive amounts of resources outside of the planet. It's a strict improvement over being limited to just Earth.
        freejazz 3y ago
        "In fact, off-worlding all of human civilization's resource extraction and production would do more than any other project to protect Earth's natural habitats while ensuring every individual on Earth can enjoy the high, resource-intensive, quality of life that poeple in the developed world take for granted." Is not a fact

catchnear4321 4y ago

he also has great taste in letters. why do you think he chose teXas? do you think that was an accident?

ETH_start 4y ago

When are people going to get past this pettiness, and just unite around the mission of making humanity a space spanning species.

freejazz 4y ago
Sorry, too busy gagging at the thought. Some of don't think there's any benefit to this or what he's doing, and that your whole argument is totally complete nonsense. It is, after all, just science fiction and a huge assumption that anything would come of it at all. It's cool that you like. I was into space when I was a kid too, went to space camp, launched rockets. But I don't need to buy into cults of personalities and their narratives. Like you are in some rush to become a belter. What a horrible reality to be in where this is your hope for the future.
- ETH_start 4y ago
  There's orders of magnitude more resources outside of Earth than on it, and those resources can be harvested without disrupting any natural environments. In fact, off-worlding all of human civilization's resource extraction and production would do more than any other project to protect Earth's natural habitats while ensuring every individual on Earth can enjoy the high, resource-intensive, quality of life that poeple in the developed world take for granted. Starship will reduce the cost of sending material to space 10 fold and potentially much more, and this after SpaceX already reduced the per kg launch to orbit cost 10 fold and spurred a massive expansion of orbital launches: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/yearly-number-of-objects-launched-into-outer-space?country=USA~RUS~CHN~GBR~JPN~FRA~IND~DEU~European+Space+Agency https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/yearly-number-of-objects-... So all of these aspirations are realizable and the progress toward them is real. Perhaps you're addicted to being a cynic and tearing down any one who has hope, and that's why you're irrationally cynical.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    I'm not being cynical at all. The notion that your position is anything but couched cynicism is my whole damn point. It's just fanciful mysticism on your part that actually reads more like science fiction.
    - ETH_start 4y ago
      I just gave a number of reasons why this is in no way "mysticism" and why it's highly worthy to pursue, so at this point I'll just dismiss your comment as it's clear you're making zero effort to justify your ultra-cynicism.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        Those aren't reasons, they are conjectures. They are not facts. It is modern mysticism. You have the cynical take on society wherein we are so unable to live on this planet, that we have no choice but to take onto barren wastelands. I'm not cynical at all, you clearly haven't thought through your assertions the slightest bit. On top of that, even granting you a positive outlook on humanity, comes up with the reality where you are saying we need to get off planet now because of a future millions of years away? Give me a break, that's EXACTLY what mysticism is. You might as well be writing a bible.
        ETH_start 3y ago
        I provided facts that make these projections credible. This bears no resemblance to mysticism. >>You have the cynical take on society wherein we are so unable to live on this planet, We can both live on this planet and harvest massive amounts of resources outside of the planet. It's a strict improvement over being limited to just Earth.
        freejazz 3y ago
        "In fact, off-worlding all of human civilization's resource extraction and production would do more than any other project to protect Earth's natural habitats while ensuring every individual on Earth can enjoy the high, resource-intensive, quality of life that poeple in the developed world take for granted." Is not a fact