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I miss it too. We've lost so much. Anytime I find a self hosted web page with very basic html, I get excited. I learned that there's a whole corner of the web

I miss it too. We've lost so much. Anytime I find a self hosted web page with very basic html, I get excited. I learned that there's a whole corner of the web where Japan never left web 1.0 design. The thinking being, if it ain't broke don't fix it. God bless Japan.

nonethewiser 4y ago
> I learned that there's a whole corner of the web where Japan never left web 1.0 design. Examples?
- selcuka 4y ago
  See https://randomwire.com/why-japanese-web-design-is-so-different/ https://randomwire.com/why-japanese-web-design-is-so-differe... It is amazing that almost 10 years have passed since this article, but the example web sites are still more or less the same.
erulabs 4y ago
Can I ask why you put “self hosted” and “web 1.0 design together” so tightly? I self host a blog, and several apps, which are modern and full of JavaScript. I guess I’m not disagreeing - I also miss Web 1.0 - but combining the two seems like throwing the baby with the bath water. Can we have self hosted AND modern?
- helpfulclippy 4y ago
  I can't speak for the person you reply to, but for me, I get a certain easy, comfortable feeling when I see something that looks like a GOOD basic 90s site. I don't mean the stereotypical spinning GIFs and whatever -- but if I see thoughtfully-presented content using nothing more than the default font, blue links (purple if I cliked it!), maybe some <hr> tags to help with organization a bit, and I see "Last Updated: 2023-xx-xx", I feel like I'm in very good company. (but I do appreciate some effort to constrain the page margins. :) )
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    Textured background optional... Andrew Odlyzko's website is much in this style: <https://www-users.cse.umn.edu/~odlyzko/ https://www-users.cse.umn.edu/~odlyzko/> Hal Varian's UC Berkeley pages as well: <https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/people/hal/papers.html https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/people/hal/papers.h...> Both of those are highly info-dense to boot, and load near-instantly.

nonethewiser 4y ago

> I learned that there's a whole corner of the web where Japan never left web 1.0 design. Examples?

selcuka 4y ago
See https://randomwire.com/why-japanese-web-design-is-so-different/ https://randomwire.com/why-japanese-web-design-is-so-differe... It is amazing that almost 10 years have passed since this article, but the example web sites are still more or less the same.

erulabs 4y ago

Can I ask why you put “self hosted” and “web 1.0 design together” so tightly? I self host a blog, and several apps, which are modern and full of JavaScript. I guess I’m not disagreeing - I also miss Web 1.0 - but combining the two seems like throwing the baby with the bath water. Can we have self hosted AND modern?

helpfulclippy 4y ago
I can't speak for the person you reply to, but for me, I get a certain easy, comfortable feeling when I see something that looks like a GOOD basic 90s site. I don't mean the stereotypical spinning GIFs and whatever -- but if I see thoughtfully-presented content using nothing more than the default font, blue links (purple if I cliked it!), maybe some <hr> tags to help with organization a bit, and I see "Last Updated: 2023-xx-xx", I feel like I'm in very good company. (but I do appreciate some effort to constrain the page margins. :) )
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  Textured background optional... Andrew Odlyzko's website is much in this style: <https://www-users.cse.umn.edu/~odlyzko/ https://www-users.cse.umn.edu/~odlyzko/> Hal Varian's UC Berkeley pages as well: <https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/people/hal/papers.html https://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/people/hal/papers.h...> Both of those are highly info-dense to boot, and load near-instantly.