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I don't know where this perspective of "Sweden has so many rights and protections the legal system is parallel to general practice in the rest of the world" com

I don't know where this perspective of "Sweden has so many rights and protections the legal system is parallel to general practice in the rest of the world" comes from. See Julian Assange[0]. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_Authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_...

burnte 4y ago
> I don't know where this perspective of "Sweden has so many rights and protections the legal system is parallel to general practice in the rest of the world" comes from. I don't know where that came from either, I certainly didn't say anything like that. However using his rape accusation to show Sweden is bad isn't a great example. He raped a woman, they tried to get him for it.
- kkielhofner 4y ago
  I'm not saying "Sweden is bad" I'm saying "Sweden, like any other government in the world, has a lot of power and they use it". I used Assange specifically because I think it's pretty clear the lone superpower in the world (the United States) clearly threw their weight around on the Assange situation. It's not a leap (at all) to think a popular VPN provider that (due to the nature of their business) likely attracts the interest of law enforcement from governments around the world - almost certainly including the US - would trigger similar levels of interest at the highest levels of government internationally. Rape is clearly abhorrent but I think it's pretty obvious Assange had a gigantic target on his back because he pissed off and embarrassed the United States. Any rape investigation should be taken very seriously but when you look at the Assange situation it's VERY clear the aggressiveness and pursuit of that was far beyond what is likely typical in those kinds of investigations. I think the same would happen in this scenario and anyone who says "oh they're just a VPN provider Sweden wouldn't take it too seriously" is pretty naive.

burnte 4y ago

> I don't know where this perspective of "Sweden has so many rights and protections the legal system is parallel to general practice in the rest of the world" comes from. I don't know where that came from either, I certainly didn't say anything like that. However using his rape accusation to show Sweden is bad isn't a great example. He raped a woman, they tried to get him for it.

kkielhofner 4y ago
I'm not saying "Sweden is bad" I'm saying "Sweden, like any other government in the world, has a lot of power and they use it". I used Assange specifically because I think it's pretty clear the lone superpower in the world (the United States) clearly threw their weight around on the Assange situation. It's not a leap (at all) to think a popular VPN provider that (due to the nature of their business) likely attracts the interest of law enforcement from governments around the world - almost certainly including the US - would trigger similar levels of interest at the highest levels of government internationally. Rape is clearly abhorrent but I think it's pretty obvious Assange had a gigantic target on his back because he pissed off and embarrassed the United States. Any rape investigation should be taken very seriously but when you look at the Assange situation it's VERY clear the aggressiveness and pursuit of that was far beyond what is likely typical in those kinds of investigations. I think the same would happen in this scenario and anyone who says "oh they're just a VPN provider Sweden wouldn't take it too seriously" is pretty naive.