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Canonical releases Ubuntu 23.04 Lunar Lobster
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- als0 4y agoDoes anyone else remember when Ubuntu releases felt...significant? Since 12.04 changes have felt incremental.
- Veen 4y agoIs that a bad thing? It's quite nice to have a stable and consistent OS.
- themodelplumber 4y agoIf it's even a thing at all? The incremental changes add up to a pretty huge deal, especially if using the LTS only.
- Scarbutt 4y agoWhat macos releases felt significant?
- voytec 4y agoFor users, in a positive sense, something around Snow Leopard. For AAPL investors - every version after that is more "significant", especially after OS X was renamed to macOS and dark mode was used to keep nose-y media out of anti-privacy changes like user being informed what is "shared with Apple" instead of being asked whether anything should be "shared with Apple". Downhill after that - children are used in hideous manner by Cook to invade users' privacy, like scanning and profiling their files as a pretense of looking for child porn. I find Cook's use of child porn argument to spy on all users absolutely disgusting.
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago1. It's free. 2. Boring is good. 3. Unlike Windows - significant but meh, more adverts in the product one paid for!
- eastbound 4y ago> It’s free I want to pay for my Linux. I’d write a wishlist but anyone could write another one, but I’d take any OS that convinces me to pay $300 a year. I’d pay for anything as nice as macOS (with the old control panel). I pay that price for my IDE and an OS is worth way more, open-source at that, which actually advances humanity. Linux is the VIIth wonder of the human civilization, a demonstration of human selflessness, as opposed to Windows, Linux will be here in 50 years becauE OSS is a donation of code to our children; Also no human construction has ever been so widespread across the world and even on other planets (Linux is powering the helicopter flying on Mars), of course I wish I could pay for… for a Linux that made me productive, not like Ubuntu. Also paying means it would actually receive good marketing teams.
- dmonitor 4y agohttps://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enterprise-linux/get-started https://www.redhat.com/en/technologies/linux-platforms/enter... Is this not the theory behind Red Hat?
- Arnavion 4y agoAt the OS level, the amount of money spent on developers will not be satisfied by a small number of individual users paying $300/year. At that level the funding comes from enterprise customers. You're welcome to use that $300/year to sponsor individual projects / developers.
- eastbound 4y agoWill I get a proper UX in exchange?
- rad_gruchalski 4y ago
- g8oz 4y agoSome changes have been detrimental like trying to force Snaps onto people.
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- voytec 4y agoSure. Forcing snap by breaking apt was significant for all users valuing efficiency and non-commercial OSs.
- illiarian 4y agoI, for one, don't want significant releases. I want releases that focus on stability and fixing bugs. You want a significant release? Make it a one-in-five-years deal.
- zokier 4y agosince 12.04 we have had unity->gnome, xorg->mir->wayland, upstart->systemd, python2->python3, iptables->nftables, addition of zfs, snap, livepatch, lxd, and dropping 32bit support. All of those were pretty major changes and definitely not just incremental. And that is just top of my head, I probably missed lot of things. On the other hand, most gnome2 era releases are pretty much a blur in my mind. What to you made those feel more significant?
- doodlesdev 4y ago> addition of zfs, snap, livepatch, lxd, and dropping 32bit support. Also ZFS being dropped from the installer in the new Lunar Lobster release which uses a Flutter-based installer for some reason. BTRFS is the new default if I'm not mistaken.
- 988747 4y agoUbuntu is shit. Use Fedora instead.
- doodlesdev 4y agoOr Debian Testing really. It might not be as polished out of the box but it's a pretty solid and stable experience. Or really any other well mantained Linux distribution, just anything but Ubuntu for the desktop. On the server I get it, ufw is convenient, snaps are not a bad thing in that scenario, LTS releases and extended support are all great if you're not a RedHat shop.
- Droobfest 4y agoDebian testing doesn’t get security updates. I’d rather run Debian sid (unstable). But tbh I don’t run Debian myself. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting It is a good idea to install security updates from unstable since they take extra time to reach testing and the security team only releases updates to unstable
- aendruk 4y agoRelease notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LunarLobster/ReleaseNotes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LunarLobster/ReleaseNotes (Can’t see Canonical’s site behind the tracking popup.)
- themodelplumber 4y agoLooking this over..enterprise stuff, more enterprise stuff, third party dev tools upgraded as usual, which is great...and oh what's this? > Updates for running snaps download in the background and are applied automatically when the app is closed. Boom, that's a big one. > Users and administrators can now pause automatic updates of specific snaps as long as desired. What, wow. Something tells me the usual critics still won't be satisfied, but these are both a big deal and tell a story about listening to the improvements that were desired by users. > Ubuntu 23.04 includes GNOME 44, delivering further usability improvements with a focus on new quick settings options for bluetooth device management and dark mode. Not a small change... > The Firefox snap also benefits from significant performance gains on the Raspberry Pi with hardware accelerated rendering. Q: Is this limited to Raspberry Pi, or not so much? The Steam changes also seem like potentially huge conveniences to me. Nice job Ubuntu team! Satisfied user since 2004 here; I do switch between the various buntus (kurrently Kubuntu) & love to discover other distros too. I was thinking back today...Ubuntu was awesome to me when I Photoshopped and Netflixed in Windows in 2009 [1], played with various hardware & learned to stream video to some of those devices on the WLAN, like my n810 [2] (does VLC encode & stream the given RSS feed at this point in time? That was part of the experiment...), and got really into creating my own journaling and notetaking methods for life-improvement purposes and extreme weight loss [3] in recent years. It's supported everything I wanted to do and has effectively run my local business admin & creative this whole time as well. Being a Linux enthusiast since the late '90s, this is way more than I would have dared hope for! Very happy to reflect on all those experiences. 1. https://www.friendlyskies.net/images/435t.jpg https://www.friendlyskies.net/images/435t.jpg 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7PYUZ5z1wM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7PYUZ5z1wM 3. https://www.friendlyskies.net/images/396t.png https://www.friendlyskies.net/images/396t.png
- voytec 4y ago> Something tells me the usual critics still won't be satisfied, but these are both a big deal and tell a story about listening to the improvements that were desired by users. Critic here. apt is still handicapped and snap is still being pushed down users' throats for profit. Improvement of undesired change resulting in less user control than the state before undesired change is an act of pulling the wool over people's eyes. snap is an unfriendly garbage with which you never know if you should use `--classic` without trial and error. Doing small fixes to this garbage doesn't fix the fiasco that handicapping apt to push snap was.
- oriettaxx 4y agohow much $$ do they want for security patches? ;)
- voytec 4y agoI'm sure you'll learn this from ads in motd, apt (if it's still working) and possibly new places which Canonical's suits found suitable for ads placement.
- frant-hartm 4y agoIs it really that hard? https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro https://ubuntu.com/pricing/pro
- josephcsible 4y agoFor context for other readers, security updates for packages in universe and multiverse used to be "best effort". Now, Canonical's security team does the work of patching all of them just like with main and restricted, except that they're gated behind an Ubuntu Pro subscription even if you're on the latest Ubuntu release.
- oriettaxx 4y agoit is not that easy: in our context (where we have to assure our customerss that the operating systems are patched for security) it practically means that we are not respecting the contract. We have a a lot of servers (all VMs), who doesn't these days?, due to splitting in a lot of micro-services, that means that with the PRO move we have a LOT of added costs: customers says, of course, why don't you use another linux? It was our (my personal, actually) mistake to move from Centos to Ubuntu some years ago: plus another big mistake was not to feel it coming (the PRO move, I mean), even by reading HN daily! I figured it out only the day I saw, in the cli, the pretty explicit message, which to me sounded like: * there are security patches available, but you don't get it until you give us 500$
- dopeboy 4y agoUser since the Hoary Hedgehog days. Congrats Canonical on the new release. Slight tangent - is 22.04 in a good place as a daily driver? I know it's an LTS release. Mostly recalling concerns around wayland and zoom playing well together. Running a thinkpad t15 gen 2 if that helps.
- themodelplumber 4y agoI use Kubuntu 22.04...dot 04 I think?, haven't tried Zoom yet but all of my video-related stuff has worked fine, from streaming to video editing to various games. It's been solid here FWIW. I'm considering turning on backports, for that quasi-rolling experience. Note, I don't generally take the upgrade path and install from scratch before migrating my home folder & cron jobs and all that. Apt-clone can help as well.
- hef19898 4y agoAs total Linux noob, I run Ubuntu 22.04 as a daily driver on my private Lenovo X1 Extreme Gen 2. No issues whatsoever, runs better than Windows. Exception: battery life, but I only use the nVidia graphics regardless of OS, and even under Windows that didn't reault in great battery life. The sole caveat, not all of my Steam library has been ported to Linux. Other than that, I hardly ever boot Windows on that machine anymore.
- javier2 4y agoI want the Wireguard changes for GNOME 44, and 43 had lots of nice UI updates as well.
- 3836293648 4y agoI've never even had a good experience with the zoom app on X. But it all works perfectly with the web version on both X and Wayland
- linsomniac 4y agoBeen using 22.04 for ~a year now as my primary workstation. My main pain-point is that I can't do screen sharing or snapshots with Wayland. If I had it to do over again, I'd avoid Wayland. Also, Firefox as a snap has largely pushed me away from Firefox.
- transfire 4y agoI have yet to install a snap that failed to fail. Usually it seems to do with accessing drives. For instance Firefox will not open the Downloads folder and will not open file dialog for email attachments in gmail.
- dcminter 4y agoCheck you haven't accidentally uninstalled xdg-desktop-portal-gtk - sounds like an issue I had with that cause. (I loathe snaps, but they do mostly work IME)
- joshxyz 4y agonodejs snap, there will be errors in using the vm context for javascript sandboxing. nodejs deb, there wont be errors. weird snaps.
- warner25 4y agoI got the upgrade to Fedora 38 on my machines today too (although I see the official release was a couple days ago). I'm curious about who gets excited about and uses these non-LTS Ubuntu releases. It seems to me that the five-year LTS offering is the main reason to use Ubuntu, if you want stability and don't like Debian and don't need to pay for RHEL. If you want fresher, why not Fedora or an Arch derivative?
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y agoHistorically, it's been popular as a user-friendly desktop distribution, in which case updating semi regularly to stay on a current version makes perfect sense
- themodelplumber 4y agoAgreed, if you know how Ubuntu works fairly well, and want to maintain a relatively modern system feel, LTS might not even be the right track. I used to aim to upgrade to non-LTS plus an .01 or .02 at the very end, ideally. Moving to LTS later on as an experiment was extremely stable but I had to ask how much stability I really needed, as the excitement with my desktop was waning. :-)
- ohgodplsno 4y agoIt's a jack of all trades with no very particularly weak points, that allows me to just work. I'm done fucking around with config files because oops Arch wants to install glibc-alpha-rewrote-in-haskell. Want a recent kernel ? Ubuntu is relatively good at that. Want software that's more or less up to date, without needing the bleeding edge ? Their repos are good at that. Not in the repos ? You can probably add-apt-repository something and you'll be good to go. Need a reliable DE ? Gnome is fine. Hate Gnome ? It's alright, there's a KDE and Xfce version too. What's that, you want snaps ? Yeah, it's there. Flatpaks ? There too. Is more or less Debian compatible, which is pretty much the only distro you can expect people to properly package for ? Gotcha. Weird setups like Optimus that end up being broken in most places ? Works just fine. Proprietary nvidia drivers ? Sure. I'm done fucking around for hours getting Arch to not be crap, or Fedora to not use fucking pacman, give me apt. I just want a work distro that will handle 99% of what I throw at it without any issues.
- numeromancer 4y agoCanonical releases Ubuntu 23.04 Luzer Lockdown
- elcritch 4y agoUgh, great another pointless name to memorize. I really have come to dislike the "cute names" Ubuntu uses and "Lunar Lobster" just makes me not want to. Not that Debian or MacOS are much better. Sure maybe they're great if you're dealing with it all day, but to I have to Google which version is newer half the time. Or sit there and sing the alphabet song to myself cause I forget if h or k comes first.
- MattPalmer1086 4y agoOh come on! Nobody actually refers to the versions by the fun names anyway, the date version numbers are what people search for when they need info. They're just a bit of fun.
- elcritch 4y agoIf thats all they were sure, but a lot of configs do use the names. Like /etc/apt/sources.list or whatnot.
- MattPalmer1086 4y agoAh, that is true. Would be better if they switched to the version dates.
- zokier 4y agoUbuntu release names are alphabetical, that makes them great.
- wink 4y agoIf you work with it daily maybe. The LTS releases in numerical form are anchor points. (even number + .04), but even if I should know I'd have to look up again which one is 22.04. Wasn't a problem when doing OS stuff with servers every day, sure.
- eis 4y agoI just did the update on a workstation of mine. During the update to 23.04 the Firefox snap was downgraded from 112.0.1-1 (latest/stable) to 111.0.1-2 (latest/stable/ubuntu-23.04). When trying to start Firefox after the reboot it will detect the downgrade and in order to prevent data corruption offer two choices: create a brand new user profile or quit. Oh Canonical, the Firefox snap fun never ends.
- wooque 4y agoSeems there are plenty of regressions compared to 22.10 [1], probably kernel one for Intel Alder Lake CPUs and some on the graphics/GNOME side [1] https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2304-laptops https://www.phoronix.com/review/ubuntu-2304-laptops
- selivanovp 4y agoYep, gnome 44 is definitely not good enough yet. I’d advise not to upgrade to 23.04 right now and wait at least a month for fixes to come. While I haven’t noticed major regressions personally, gnome and its components are producing little but annoying bugs. 22.10 was awesome from day one, 23.04 is not.
- tapoxi 4y agoI really think most Ubuntu users should give Fedora a spin. It's really polished, Red Hat has no interest in pushing proprietary nonsense (Flatpaks, if you choose to use them, are decentralized), the immutable system work in Silverblue/Kinoite is really interesting, and dnf is just nicer to use than apt. You have a full transaction history and can undo a numbered transaction, I have no idea why apt still doesn't have that.
- deafpolygon 4y agowe need opt-in, not opt-out.