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Is there any reason why HDD were sanctioned but not CPUs? Like why grant AMD and Intel exceptions? Did Huawei have some sort of super strategic use for them?

DuckFeathers 4y ago
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- hackernewds 4y ago
  These are pretty tall claims but I'm not finding sources to back them up
  - DuckFeathers 4y ago
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    - filoleg 4y ago
      Ironically enough, that's the exact same line of reasoning that can be used to explain why we don't see media reporting on lizard people running the shadow government. Lizard people run corporations and, by extension, corporate media. Just because you might say that my theory above is superficially less plausible than yours, it doesn't change the fact that both of them have the same amount of supporting evidence.
      - DuckFeathers 4y ago
        True. But spiritually speaking, "lizard people" (which refers to the reptilian instincts of the human brains) do seem to run the governments. The people who get to power via wrongful means have too much to lose if they lose that power (maybe their freedom or even their life) and hence the survival instinct (which is what is shared with the reptilian brain) is what primarily acts through people in power. They show behaviors such as the following which is indicative of acting through the reptilian brain: - fight response (eagerness of going to wars) - territoriality (nation states fighting to expand and protect their borders) - sexual instinct (elites connection with Epstein) So, yeah, there may not be physical reptiles living in the Atlantic ocean ruling us, but there sure are spiritual reptiles living in the subconscious ruling us.
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  By most economists accounts, Americas sanctions hurt America's economy more than it helped it. The sanctions may have helped certain industries and areas of America by kneecapping Chinese high-tech, but it takes more than that for Republicans to start a round of sanctions and the Democrats to continue them. There is a very blatant military interest in keeping China behind in terms of technology. People have had a very clear picture of what technology can do for a military in a conventional war since the Gulf War where the Iraqi Republican Guard, the 4th largest military in the world, was obliterated from a distance by high-tech computerised weaponry and military systems and totally demoralised. There can be multiple motives. If both high-tech and the military want something, that makes it that much more of a political winner.
  - DuckFeathers 4y ago
    It's never been about helping America's overall economy; only about helping the biggest corporations which have immense control over beaurocrats and politicians.
  - caycep 4y ago
    This is why I'm of a mind that decoupling/sanctions are really not the way to go. I'd say open source/open academic development benefitted both US/China more than decoupling benefits either. Yes, I know there was a lot of drum banging re "stealing tech" and "authoritarian values coming into the US" but I get the feeling that there was way more flow of western liberal and pro-democratic values into China than the other way around...
webmobdev 4y ago
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- tjohns 4y ago
  Do we know this for sure? Yes, they both have management engines (as does every modern CPU), which is a potential risk... and AMT/DASH/IPMI is a bigger risk. However, I wasn't aware a backdoor was ever found?
- DaiPlusPlus 4y ago
  > AMD and Intel processors have backdoors that allow them to exploited This has not been proven. And IME doesn’t count. Don’t repeat unverified claims. Do apply critical thinking.
  - coldtea 4y ago
    Waiting for final verification is the opposite of critical thinking. It's dealing solely with already established facts. That doesn't take any critical thinking. In fact, it doesn't require any independent thinking at all. I'm not saying they have or haven't such backdoors. Just that whether they do or do not, you'd better estimate yourself, based on motives, opportunity, history of related cases, technological knowledge, and so on, not wait to get official or third party verification on a silver platter.
  - webmobdev 4y ago
    When India wanted specialised secure communication equipment for confidential diplomatic communications between its government and embassies, they ordered it from a European country to avoid spying by the US. Unknown to them, the US approached the European country and convinced them to sell compromised equipment that would enable the US to spy on indian diplomatic cables. Cisco has worked with US agencies to sell compromised routers to many countries. Chinese security camera and routers have been found to have backdoors in them. That is just the minimum extent of international spying. I have no qualms in claiming that you are ignorant if you think AMD / Intel management engines (built to enable remote management) sold to specific foreign government agencies haven't been root-kitted for spying. Intel's Management Engine is a security hazard, and users need a way to disable it - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/05/intels-management-engine-security-hazard-and-users-need-way-disable-it https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/05/intels-management-engi...

DuckFeathers 4y ago

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hackernewds 4y ago
These are pretty tall claims but I'm not finding sources to back them up
- DuckFeathers 4y ago
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  - filoleg 4y ago
    Ironically enough, that's the exact same line of reasoning that can be used to explain why we don't see media reporting on lizard people running the shadow government. Lizard people run corporations and, by extension, corporate media. Just because you might say that my theory above is superficially less plausible than yours, it doesn't change the fact that both of them have the same amount of supporting evidence.
    - DuckFeathers 4y ago
      True. But spiritually speaking, "lizard people" (which refers to the reptilian instincts of the human brains) do seem to run the governments. The people who get to power via wrongful means have too much to lose if they lose that power (maybe their freedom or even their life) and hence the survival instinct (which is what is shared with the reptilian brain) is what primarily acts through people in power. They show behaviors such as the following which is indicative of acting through the reptilian brain: - fight response (eagerness of going to wars) - territoriality (nation states fighting to expand and protect their borders) - sexual instinct (elites connection with Epstein) So, yeah, there may not be physical reptiles living in the Atlantic ocean ruling us, but there sure are spiritual reptiles living in the subconscious ruling us.
faeriechangling 4y ago
By most economists accounts, Americas sanctions hurt America's economy more than it helped it. The sanctions may have helped certain industries and areas of America by kneecapping Chinese high-tech, but it takes more than that for Republicans to start a round of sanctions and the Democrats to continue them. There is a very blatant military interest in keeping China behind in terms of technology. People have had a very clear picture of what technology can do for a military in a conventional war since the Gulf War where the Iraqi Republican Guard, the 4th largest military in the world, was obliterated from a distance by high-tech computerised weaponry and military systems and totally demoralised. There can be multiple motives. If both high-tech and the military want something, that makes it that much more of a political winner.
- DuckFeathers 4y ago
  It's never been about helping America's overall economy; only about helping the biggest corporations which have immense control over beaurocrats and politicians.
- caycep 4y ago
  This is why I'm of a mind that decoupling/sanctions are really not the way to go. I'd say open source/open academic development benefitted both US/China more than decoupling benefits either. Yes, I know there was a lot of drum banging re "stealing tech" and "authoritarian values coming into the US" but I get the feeling that there was way more flow of western liberal and pro-democratic values into China than the other way around...

webmobdev 4y ago

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tjohns 4y ago
Do we know this for sure? Yes, they both have management engines (as does every modern CPU), which is a potential risk... and AMT/DASH/IPMI is a bigger risk. However, I wasn't aware a backdoor was ever found?
DaiPlusPlus 4y ago
> AMD and Intel processors have backdoors that allow them to exploited This has not been proven. And IME doesn’t count. Don’t repeat unverified claims. Do apply critical thinking.
- coldtea 4y ago
  Waiting for final verification is the opposite of critical thinking. It's dealing solely with already established facts. That doesn't take any critical thinking. In fact, it doesn't require any independent thinking at all. I'm not saying they have or haven't such backdoors. Just that whether they do or do not, you'd better estimate yourself, based on motives, opportunity, history of related cases, technological knowledge, and so on, not wait to get official or third party verification on a silver platter.
- webmobdev 4y ago
  When India wanted specialised secure communication equipment for confidential diplomatic communications between its government and embassies, they ordered it from a European country to avoid spying by the US. Unknown to them, the US approached the European country and convinced them to sell compromised equipment that would enable the US to spy on indian diplomatic cables. Cisco has worked with US agencies to sell compromised routers to many countries. Chinese security camera and routers have been found to have backdoors in them. That is just the minimum extent of international spying. I have no qualms in claiming that you are ignorant if you think AMD / Intel management engines (built to enable remote management) sold to specific foreign government agencies haven't been root-kitted for spying. Intel's Management Engine is a security hazard, and users need a way to disable it - https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/05/intels-management-engine-security-hazard-and-users-need-way-disable-it https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/05/intels-management-engi...