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Huawei is no more an arm of the CCP than any other Chinese company, and neither are they operating a "giant spy network" through their equipments. Please refrai

Huawei is no more an arm of the CCP than any other Chinese company, and neither are they operating a "giant spy network" through their equipments. Please refrain from spreading the basic propaganda you're being fed. Huawei does not answer to the West and has become too big in a strategic industry so the US took steps to attempt to kill it. It is simple geopolitical power struggle.

NegativeLatency 4y ago
To be fair I trust AT&T about the same (not very much) the difference is that for me (a US citizen) one is local and the other is foreign. Wouldn’t put it past most large telcos to do a little targeted spying.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 4y ago
  Wouldn't a local threat be more dangerous than a foreign one?
  - curiousgal 4y ago
    And other logical questions no one seems to be asking. But oh well China bad USA good.
  - Scoundreller 4y ago
    Exactly why I trust China with my sensitive data. They won’t cough it up to any random US government agency that just asks for it!
- popcalc 4y ago
  Most cell providers sell your location info to a third party broker to pad earnings. Then it gets resold in smaller and smaller amounts down the chain. If your crazy ex wants to know where you were last night, they can jump in a telegram group run by someone at a PI firm reselling their access on the side and it'll cost less than your dinner did.
froh 4y ago
yes. Huawei's real mistake is that they disrupt the silicon tech leadership of intel and other traditional vendors in that space, with a number of --- in hindsight ---- excellent strategic moves, for example * they now hold a "controlling" majority of G5 mobile patents * they are a strong and serious player in automotive * ASIL D real time kernel for automotive functional safety * integrated platform from microcontroller all the way to Android-alike in the UI * this is unlike BOSCH, Continental, Renesas, Delphi/APITIV, etc, who were blocked by the traditional car vendors to create such a platform * "Huawei aims at becoming a BOSCH" https://tcrn.ch/3v7O4z1 * serious cloud player * serious player end to end in the mobile market (from backend via physical broadcast network to mobile phones and OS on top) the list could go on and on oh, and their ownership structure is spread ownership by employees. the majority shareholder is the founder with a whopping 1.9% of shares. afaict they pay like FAANG/MAAMA/... and offer very comparable possibilities for personal development. they are doing pretty much everything right while the traditional wealth has no control over them. and _that_ is something "the West" fights nails and toes.
- mafribe 4y ago
  Huawei has also become one of the main Linux kernel contributors, e.g. https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ We read a lot on HN about Apple's M1 and how it was the first customer of TSMC's 5nm process. In fact, Huawei had bought the initial slot TSMC's 5nm process, and it was only the sanctions against Huawei that forced TSMC to reneg on its contracts and give them to Apple.
nyolfen 4y ago
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/chinese-spies-accused-of-using-huawei-in-secret-australian-telecom-hack?leadSource=uverify%20wall https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/chinese-s...
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  After the bogus "Big Hack" story, Bloomberg's credibility in this subject area is in the gutter. The article you link to is vague about what, exactly, Huawei supposedly did. If the US or Australian government had solid evidence of something like that the article claims, I have no doubt that they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
  - nyolfen 4y ago
    > If the US or Australian government had solid evidence of something like that the article claims, I have no doubt that they would be shouting it from the rooftops. this is literally what they are doing
    - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
      They're leaking vague claims to the press, not providing evidence.
DrThunder 4y ago
I like that your argument is that every business in China is government controlled. Why, yes you are correct. That doesn't negate my point. China will collapse in a few decades due to lack of replacement population. They most certainly do "answer to the west". This is why they're being so aggressive about trying to get tech planted into western culture, and take Taiwan back, they know what's coming for them. Maybe you ought to think a little further about why it's a power struggle?

NegativeLatency 4y ago

To be fair I trust AT&T about the same (not very much) the difference is that for me (a US citizen) one is local and the other is foreign. Wouldn’t put it past most large telcos to do a little targeted spying.

isbvhodnvemrwvn 4y ago
Wouldn't a local threat be more dangerous than a foreign one?
- curiousgal 4y ago
  And other logical questions no one seems to be asking. But oh well China bad USA good.
- Scoundreller 4y ago
  Exactly why I trust China with my sensitive data. They won’t cough it up to any random US government agency that just asks for it!
popcalc 4y ago
Most cell providers sell your location info to a third party broker to pad earnings. Then it gets resold in smaller and smaller amounts down the chain. If your crazy ex wants to know where you were last night, they can jump in a telegram group run by someone at a PI firm reselling their access on the side and it'll cost less than your dinner did.

froh 4y ago

yes. Huawei's real mistake is that they disrupt the silicon tech leadership of intel and other traditional vendors in that space, with a number of --- in hindsight ---- excellent strategic moves, for example * they now hold a "controlling" majority of G5 mobile patents * they are a strong and serious player in automotive * ASIL D real time kernel for automotive functional safety * integrated platform from microcontroller all the way to Android-alike in the UI * this is unlike BOSCH, Continental, Renesas, Delphi/APITIV, etc, who were blocked by the traditional car vendors to create such a platform * "Huawei aims at becoming a BOSCH" https://tcrn.ch/3v7O4z1 * serious cloud player * serious player end to end in the mobile market (from backend via physical broadcast network to mobile phones and OS on top) the list could go on and on oh, and their ownership structure is spread ownership by employees. the majority shareholder is the founder with a whopping 1.9% of shares. afaict they pay like FAANG/MAAMA/... and offer very comparable possibilities for personal development. they are doing pretty much everything right while the traditional wealth has no control over them. and _that_ is something "the West" fights nails and toes.

mafribe 4y ago
Huawei has also become one of the main Linux kernel contributors, e.g. https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ https://news.itsfoss.com/huawei-kernel-contribution/ We read a lot on HN about Apple's M1 and how it was the first customer of TSMC's 5nm process. In fact, Huawei had bought the initial slot TSMC's 5nm process, and it was only the sanctions against Huawei that forced TSMC to reneg on its contracts and give them to Apple.

nyolfen 4y ago

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/chinese-spies-accused-of-using-huawei-in-secret-australian-telecom-hack?leadSource=uverify%20wall https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/chinese-s...

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
After the bogus "Big Hack" story, Bloomberg's credibility in this subject area is in the gutter. The article you link to is vague about what, exactly, Huawei supposedly did. If the US or Australian government had solid evidence of something like that the article claims, I have no doubt that they would be shouting it from the rooftops.
- nyolfen 4y ago
  > If the US or Australian government had solid evidence of something like that the article claims, I have no doubt that they would be shouting it from the rooftops. this is literally what they are doing
  - DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
    They're leaking vague claims to the press, not providing evidence.

DrThunder 4y ago

I like that your argument is that every business in China is government controlled. Why, yes you are correct. That doesn't negate my point. China will collapse in a few decades due to lack of replacement population. They most certainly do "answer to the west". This is why they're being so aggressive about trying to get tech planted into western culture, and take Taiwan back, they know what's coming for them. Maybe you ought to think a little further about why it's a power struggle?