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That's a specious argument, because the choice could be between logging your traffic and being forced to shutdown under some kind of Swedish NSL, or forced to k
by bragr 4y ago
That's a specious argument, because the choice could be between logging your traffic and being forced to shutdown under some kind of Swedish NSL, or forced to keep operating and logging even if they want to shut down. Not saying this is what happened, just that your reasoning doesn't really hold. Hell it's entirely possible Mullvad is a honeypot operated by some foreign intelligence service.
- nabla9 4y agoThere is no such laws in Sweden.
- bragr 4y agoThat does not appear to be factual: https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-forfattningssamling/lag-2008717-om-signalspaning-i_sfs-2008-717 https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-f...
- SiempreViernes 4y agoWhat do you mean? Lag 2008:717 does not contain any provisions about forcing companies to log or store data. Rättegångsbalken does have a provision that a prosecutor can order you to preserve information you already have saved for a maximum of 180 days (https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K27P16S1 https://lagen.nu/1942:740#K27P16S1). I can't find anything about what the punishment for ignoring such an order would be, but to say a company could be forced to keep operating seems extraordinarily unfounded.
- bragr 4y agoTry this one [1] which contains an obligation for operators to comply and maintain secrecy. I'm not a lawyer, and definitely not a swedish lawyer, but my point is, despite baked in protections, like most countries, Sweden seems to have a robust set of overlapping national security and surveillance laws. [1] https://lagen.nu/prop/2006/07:63 https://lagen.nu/prop/2006/07:63
- hnarn 4y agoMullvad is not an operator, and you’re moving the goal posts.
- SiempreViernes 4y agoWhen you try to argue something is law, please have the decency to link to the actual law, you have linked a proposal and not the law as accepted by parliament.
- teaearlgraycold 4y ago> being forced to shutdown under some kind of Swedish NSL Given Mullvad I think they'd rather shut down.
- hnarn 4y ago> it's entirely possible Mullvad is a honeypot operated by some foreign intelligence service. “Entirely” possible? Sure, I guess it’s “entirely” possible that the NSA is actually controlled by a reptilian, illuminati cabal of extraterrestrials, while we’re just making stuff up without any factual basis whatsoever.
- stametseater 4y agoBad faith responses like this lashing out at people like bragr make me even more suspicious. You know damn well, or should know, that companies secretly being owned by intelligence agencies is something that has happened before and could happen again. Meanwhile there is no evidence at all for reptilian ETs ever existing. And furthermore, I am sure you know that when dealing with matters of security, it pays to exercise precaution and be wary of scenarios you cannot prove to be happening at the moment. E.g., you don't know your new friend you met at the bus stop is secret police, an informant for the Vichy government, but until you're damn sure he isn't then you don't let him know the location of your resistance safehouse. You don't need to have proof that your new friend has done anything wrong to be cautious of that possibility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
- blargpls 4y agoSee Crypto AG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG) for a company in the cryptography / privacy industry that was owned by intelligence services.
- vorpalhex 4y agoIt's possible you're in a coma and everything you're experiencing is a terribly detailed dream. It's not very likely though.
- TJSomething 4y agoThat one's pretty easy to disprove though. Just have a computer solve a random NP-complete problem and then verify it by hand.
- gala8y 4y agoCan you, please, explain?
- Dylan16807 4y agoWe're assuming in this scenario that your memory is still basically functional, so the math on a sheet of paper won't be replaced suddenly without you noticing. If you can't even remember things in the medium term that's a level beyond "trapped in a dream" that's much more hopeless. So, with that assumption, you make a computer solve a problem that's impossible for a human to work through in a practical amount of time. And then you verify it got the right answer. This proves the math wasn't done by your dreaming brain. (At least it proves it to a pretty good certainty, and you can repeat the test.) Many NP-complete problems are good candidates here for slow solutions and fast verifications.
- tadfisher 4y agoThis assumes the dreamer is a human brain.
- therein 4y agoYeah I kept thinking about simulation stuff too but GP's method is a good one for being trapped in one's own mind situation. Also for situations that have the standard dream level of fidelity, you can try basic reality checks like putting your finger through your hand or more conspicuously spinning along your own axis.
- nicce 4y agoLaw enforcements could force Mullvad to start logging some specific account if they manage to indentify the account. Service might not collect data but they could be forced with warrant to start doing so for specific entities. This has happened in Finland, for example.