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Wait, why is it illegal to sell hard drives to China?
by jrochkind1 4y ago
Wait, why is it illegal to sell hard drives to China?
- DrThunder 4y ago[flagged]
- 2Gkashmiri 4y ago[flagged]
- jwestbury 4y agoHow is any of this relevant to a discussion of Huawei? "Yeah, but someone else is doing it, too" isn't a useful point to make.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agoDo you have any documented backdoors found on any huawei product?
- noarchy 4y agoAnytime there is discussion of China here, you can set your watch to the whataboutist replies rather reliably.
- boringg 4y agoUhhhhh apples to oranges. The level of functionality on behalf of the government is completely different (being that Huawei is an arm of the PRC) making your comparison off base. Documented intel management engine…
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agoLast I know, there is no tangible evidence linking documented backdoors in huawei network equipment. If my memory serves me right, huawei was ahead of others in 5G and american and other companies saw that as a threat and suddenly huawei equipment had unknown backdoors and suspicions. I would be happy to be proved wrong but how does being funded or managed or owned by PRC influence anything unless there are actual backdoors? Just because huawei is funded by PRC does that make them guilty?
- edgyquant 4y agoWhen national security is at stake you can’t trust your literal greatest rival to build your infrastructure. I really don’t think people making arguments like this are being honest, they just can’t be.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35639276 This Hn poster wrote this. So CIA is selling backdoored equipment which is fine for you?
- boringg 4y agoEverything on that thread you linked has no credible sources.
- xxpor 4y agoYeah actually, I'd rather have my government doing the backdooring than a foreign one. My interests are generally more aligned with the US government's than China's.
- 2Gkashmiri 4y agocool. another question. What about someone in EU or africa or india. who should in your opinion spy on them? usa or china?
- tough 4y agoIdeally both to be safe... Maybe just add a third neutral participant to have three spying forces for no breaks.
- xxpor 4y agoNo one ideally, but in the real world someone is going to be. It's considered basically accepted by governments, just don't get caught. That being said, it's interesting that a lot of the China vs US heat started ramping up right when China rounded up a bunch of CIA assets in the country. It's arguable from a game theory perspective that everyone's better off with a bunch of spying so everyone knows what's really going on in a country. Transparency is usually considered good in other areas. I can't see why that wouldn't apply here. It's also worth pointing out that by and large, it's very likely the important programs aren't spying on day to day citizens, especially as the war on terror has faded. They're just not that important, and it's riskier. It's economic, military, and political espionage.
- badcppdev 4y agoSo the US Government is banning US companies from selling to Huawei for US national security reasons. Those reasons can relate to potential threats rather than proven actions. There is no court of law and presumption of innocence until proven guilty in this process. The Chinese government could absolutely ban Chinese companies from selling to companies closely affiliated with the US Government if they wanted to and I imagine there are some Chinese companies/products that are subject to export restrictions. Various governments around the world are enforcing different import/export/data rules to protect their citizens. These things are all 'fine' or at least understandable and well within the expected behaviour of sovereign nations.
- rchaud 4y ago> How is american governments access to other nations data fine but not the other way around? Nothing's stopping nation-states from forking Linux-based systems and open source tools to circumvent Microsoft, Apple, Netgear, etc. There isn't enough political buy-in to wean countries off of Windows, Mac, Android, Intel, AMD etc. German schools for a while used OpenOffice as Office 365 had too many privacy issues. But these are small-scale changes that are temporary, and don't go beyond the muncipality level [0]. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/germany-threatens-to-break-up-with-microsoft-office-again/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/07/germa...
- jrochkind1 4y agoOK... wait, why is it illegal to sell hard drives to the government of China?
- himinlomax 4y agoBecause they're a tyrannical and genocidal organisation?
- xtian 4y ago[flagged]
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- markozjovanovic 4y agoOk, but what about China?
- NLPaep 4y agoDo you like being able to comment whatever you want about the government?
- mrguyorama 4y agoHell, do you like posting pictures of a fictional bear without being treated as a criminal?
- rchaud 4y agoIf that was the criteria, American exports would be in the toilet. It's because China is a competitor. All the other bad actors are too rinky-dink to worry about.
- himinlomax 4y ago[flagged]
- mafribe 4y agoEvidence-free claim. Huawei even let the UK secret service inspect Huawei networking gear, e.g. [1, 2, 3]. They only found badly written software, which is hardly unusual. A much more likely explanation for the US sanction on Huawei is simply anti-competitive measures. Huawei had simply outcompeted the western telecom gear providers, and they complained to their governments to ban the superior competition. See also TikTok vs Instagram ... [1] https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluation-uk https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluat... [2] https://www.cybersecurityintelligence.com/blog/british-spies-find-big-software-problems-with-huawei-5241.html https://www.cybersecurityintelligence.com/blog/british-spies... [3] https://news.sky.com/story/gchq-discovered-nationally-significant-vulnerability-in-huawei-equipment-12086688 https://news.sky.com/story/gchq-discovered-nationally-signif...
- tivert 4y ago> Huawei even let the UK secret service inspect Huawei networking gear, e.g. [1, 2, 3]. They only found badly written software, which is hardly unusual. Which, by the way, is the perfect cover for a backdoor, because it's deniable. Furthermore, even if you're looking for a back door, there's no guarantee you were actually looking in the right place (for an example, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)) > A much more likely explanation for the US sanction on Huawei is simply anti-competitive measures. No, it's 100% geopolitical maneuvering. IIRC, US companies don't even sell competing equipment in many of the relevant areas. You don't need "evidence" of a backdoor in order to distrust something.
- mytailorisrich 4y ago'If you want to kill your dog, accuse him of having rabies.' (French proverb)
- tivert 4y ago"Don't let the fox guard the henhouse." (English proverb) Since we're trading proverbs.
- mytailorisrich 4y agoHuawei is no more an arm of the CCP than any other Chinese company, and neither are they operating a "giant spy network" through their equipments. Please refrain from spreading the basic propaganda you're being fed. Huawei does not answer to the West and has become too big in a strategic industry so the US took steps to attempt to kill it. It is simple geopolitical power struggle.
- NegativeLatency 4y agoTo be fair I trust AT&T about the same (not very much) the difference is that for me (a US citizen) one is local and the other is foreign. Wouldn’t put it past most large telcos to do a little targeted spying.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 4y agoWouldn't a local threat be more dangerous than a foreign one?
- curiousgal 4y agoAnd other logical questions no one seems to be asking. But oh well China bad USA good.
- Scoundreller 4y agoExactly why I trust China with my sensitive data. They won’t cough it up to any random US government agency that just asks for it!
- popcalc 4y agoMost cell providers sell your location info to a third party broker to pad earnings. Then it gets resold in smaller and smaller amounts down the chain. If your crazy ex wants to know where you were last night, they can jump in a telegram group run by someone at a PI firm reselling their access on the side and it'll cost less than your dinner did.
- froh 4y ago
- makeitdouble 4y agoTechnically Huawei is banned over "threat to national security" [0] What one thinks it actually means will be a litmus test of how they view the world. [0] https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-bans-authorizations-devices-pose-national-security-threat https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-bans-authorizations-devices...
- phendrenad2 4y agoI don't understand what the point of sanctions are. Is Huawei going to stop existing? No. Is the US government ever going to trust Huawei? No. Might as well allow US businesses to make some money selling Huawei spinning rust platters.