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>There is not a majority coalition in support of voluntary gender norm breaking in the name of self expression. As opposed to in the name of what else? your po

>There is not a majority coalition in support of voluntary gender norm breaking in the name of self expression. As opposed to in the name of what else? your posts are so weird - no one is trying to fight you, so maybe tone it down. Like, you post at me like I'm going into your community and making you do things with your children, it's a bit ridiculous. We are just chatting on a website. >No, sorry, standard brown immigrant socialization—which is why both DeSantis and Youngkin won on this issue. What?

rayiner 4y ago
> As opposed to in the name of what else? To conform their outward presentation to the gender they identify with, which is a fact rooted in biology. >No, sorry, standard brown immigrant socialization—which is why both DeSantis and Youngkin won on this issue. > What? The vast majority of the world does not embrace white American notions of individualistic self expression. We think norm enforcement and conformity are good things that help kids stay on track. Both Youngkin in VA and DeSantis in FL won majorities among Hispanics (a group that usually favors democrats) by focusing on that disconnect between liberal teachers and more conservative families. https://interactives.ap.org/votecast-2021-va https://interactives.ap.org/votecast-2021-va; https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/florida-latinos-turned-favor-republicans-rcna57167 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/florida-latinos-turned-f...
- freejazz 4y ago
  >To conform their outward presentation to the gender they identify with, which is a fact rooted in biology. I'm sorry but how is that not also self expression? >The vast majority of the world does not embrace white American notions of individualistic self expression. We think norm enforcement and conformity are good things that help kids stay on track. Both Youngkin in VA and DeSantis in FL won majorities among Hispanics (a group that usually favors democrats) by focusing on that disconnect between liberal teachers and more conservative families. This is completely non-responsive to what you offered it as a response to.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > I'm sorry but how is that not also self expression? Rachel Levine (a trans woman) dresses how she does for the same reason I (a cis man) do. Both our brains have a notion of our own sex, and we conform to society’s gender norms consistent with that internal understanding. It’s completely different than people who dress the way they do, or get tattoos or nose rings to make a statement, set themselves apart as individuals, or thumb their nose at society and it’s rules. > This is completely non-responsive to what you offered it as a response to. Not at all. You characterized my position as “incel” above, because the people having all the kids mostly share my viewpoint. It’s the dominant view in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Liberal Americans are the most pathologically individualistic people in the world.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      Dressing yourself is a fundamental aspect of self expression. You completely ignore the question and just talk about gender and sex instead. > Not at all. You characterized my position as “incel” above, because the people having all the kids mostly share my viewpoint. It’s the dominant view in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Liberal Americans are the most pathologically individualistic people in the world. No, I categorized your position as being espoused by incels. Which is true. I don't care what you are. > It’s the dominant view in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Liberal Americans are the most pathologically individualistic people in the world. Well, we are talking about American culture here so I'm not sure what you think your point serves.
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rayiner 4y ago

> As opposed to in the name of what else? To conform their outward presentation to the gender they identify with, which is a fact rooted in biology. >No, sorry, standard brown immigrant socialization—which is why both DeSantis and Youngkin won on this issue. > What? The vast majority of the world does not embrace white American notions of individualistic self expression. We think norm enforcement and conformity are good things that help kids stay on track. Both Youngkin in VA and DeSantis in FL won majorities among Hispanics (a group that usually favors democrats) by focusing on that disconnect between liberal teachers and more conservative families. https://interactives.ap.org/votecast-2021-va https://interactives.ap.org/votecast-2021-va; https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/florida-latinos-turned-favor-republicans-rcna57167 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/florida-latinos-turned-f...

freejazz 4y ago
>To conform their outward presentation to the gender they identify with, which is a fact rooted in biology. I'm sorry but how is that not also self expression? >The vast majority of the world does not embrace white American notions of individualistic self expression. We think norm enforcement and conformity are good things that help kids stay on track. Both Youngkin in VA and DeSantis in FL won majorities among Hispanics (a group that usually favors democrats) by focusing on that disconnect between liberal teachers and more conservative families. This is completely non-responsive to what you offered it as a response to.
- rayiner 4y ago
  > I'm sorry but how is that not also self expression? Rachel Levine (a trans woman) dresses how she does for the same reason I (a cis man) do. Both our brains have a notion of our own sex, and we conform to society’s gender norms consistent with that internal understanding. It’s completely different than people who dress the way they do, or get tattoos or nose rings to make a statement, set themselves apart as individuals, or thumb their nose at society and it’s rules. > This is completely non-responsive to what you offered it as a response to. Not at all. You characterized my position as “incel” above, because the people having all the kids mostly share my viewpoint. It’s the dominant view in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Liberal Americans are the most pathologically individualistic people in the world.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    Dressing yourself is a fundamental aspect of self expression. You completely ignore the question and just talk about gender and sex instead. > Not at all. You characterized my position as “incel” above, because the people having all the kids mostly share my viewpoint. It’s the dominant view in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Liberal Americans are the most pathologically individualistic people in the world. No, I categorized your position as being espoused by incels. Which is true. I don't care what you are. > It’s the dominant view in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, etc. Liberal Americans are the most pathologically individualistic people in the world. Well, we are talking about American culture here so I'm not sure what you think your point serves.
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