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Elon Musk has shown you can lay off 80% and still have the service is running.

by miohtama 4y ago

otikik 4y ago
All he has shown is that he was all image and appropriating others’ accomplishments.
650REDHAIR 4y ago
For how long though?
- QIYGT 4y ago
  Even if it could run forever, just keeping it running isn't good enough. If you never make any improvements, your users are going to go to a different service that does.
  - dnissley 4y ago
    Twitter already proved this isn't the case over the last 10 years.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      Microsoft too: Windows is now ad-ware and users are still happily using it.
coolbreezetft22 4y ago
It's now riddled with bugs and every other "reply" is an ad for a product completely unrelated to whatever tweet it's replying to. No one outside of twitter was predicting it would just suddenly collapse, but instead a slow degradation of quality (ironic given that twitter is being marketed as the "#1 most accurate source of information on the internet") The top tweet under every "More Tweets" section is always a childish Musk tweet with a 420 or 69 reference in it
- ghostpepper 4y ago
  This hasn’t been my experience but maybe that’s due to running an adblocker
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >>every other "reply" is an ad for a product completely unrelated to whatever tweet it's replying to. I find that very ironic. For years I have seen people complain about "target ads" and companies like twitter spying on everyone. Now if they are not targeted some how that is also bad... Amazing.... Though I will say I have seen a dozen HPE GreenLake ads on twitter and still have no idea what they are trying to sell me... >> instead a slow degradation of quality (ironic given that twitter is being marketed as the "#1 most accurate source of information on the internet") The top tweet under every "More Tweets" section is always a childish Musk tweet with a 420 or 69 reference in it These are not mutually exclusive... I find new twitter to be very informative and entertaining
  - 8ytecoder 4y ago
    You are talking about two different types of ads. “We” hate targeted ads. “We” love context specific ads. When I search for “best EV to buy in 2023”, I’m more than happy to see a few results ads from Ford and VW. (That was the entire premise of Google when they started). But, learning that I’m interested in an EV because I messaged a friend on Instagram about it, or because I’m 35-45 years old, living in a “liberal city”, “making more than 200k”, and a “tree hugger” is what pisses people off - because that requires intense data collection about me and everything I do. “We” like relevant ads and to be specific context-specific ads.
    - ipaddr 4y ago
      Getting context specific ads from a 140 character tweet is asking for the impossible.
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RhodesianHunter 4y ago
The point of the business is not to keep the service running but to make a profit, and by all accounts Twitter is dramatically worse off on that front.
- phpisthebest 4y ago
  >>and by all accounts Twitter is dramatically worse off on that front. And what accounts are those?
  - mullingitover 4y ago
    I believe that would be accounts receivable.
    - what-the-grump 4y ago
      considering Elon has cut 80% and still can’t turn profit there isn’t much counting going on.
  - ctvo 4y ago
    The accounts by Elon where he cut its valuation from 44 billion to 20 billion to start. Or do we think its valuation dropped more than half with record breaking profits that aren’t disclosed? We can use the accounts from advertisers and firms that have shared they no longer work with Twitter too.
    - phpisthebest 4y ago
      Valuation is not profit. He massively over paid for twitter, everyone knew that, he knew that.... Twitter was never worth that, realistic valuation before the buyout announcement was closer to 25-30 billion, and they most likely were going into poor financial results that would have tanked the value further down to probably 20 or less. >We can use the accounts from advertisers and firms that have shared they no longer work with Twitter too. Lots of virtue signalling, many have come back, and most cut their ads spend for other reasons and on all platforms but used the twitter controversy to score some political points with the ESG crowd.
zascs 4y ago
This is like saying you stopped changing your motor oil and the engine's still running.
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stubybubs 4y ago
The servers are currently active and responding to requests, yes. There have been a lot of missteps since the acquisition though, I think party due to nobody to push back on feature requests coming from the top. No "can we look at some data" or "how about an a/b test." It's just straight from the top to production. I know most here are engineers but I honestly due appreciate product people thinking about that stuff. At this point Twitter is likely way out of compliance with anything like GDPR. Users are finding that they are not actually able to fully delete their accounts. They remain there forever, but inactive. This by itself is a massive financial risk for the company. They are also being sued in at least one country for violating laws around speech. Stability is maybe a little better than a few weeks ago, but we'll see. A car can go for a long time without doing any maintenance, but if you don't change the oil eventually even the best designed and engineered one is going to have a seized engine.

Elon Musk has shown you can lay off 80% and still have the service is running.

otikik 4y ago

All he has shown is that he was all image and appropriating others’ accomplishments.

650REDHAIR 4y ago

For how long though?

QIYGT 4y ago
Even if it could run forever, just keeping it running isn't good enough. If you never make any improvements, your users are going to go to a different service that does.
- dnissley 4y ago
  Twitter already proved this isn't the case over the last 10 years.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    Microsoft too: Windows is now ad-ware and users are still happily using it.

coolbreezetft22 4y ago

It's now riddled with bugs and every other "reply" is an ad for a product completely unrelated to whatever tweet it's replying to. No one outside of twitter was predicting it would just suddenly collapse, but instead a slow degradation of quality (ironic given that twitter is being marketed as the "#1 most accurate source of information on the internet") The top tweet under every "More Tweets" section is always a childish Musk tweet with a 420 or 69 reference in it

ghostpepper 4y ago
This hasn’t been my experience but maybe that’s due to running an adblocker
phpisthebest 4y ago
>>every other "reply" is an ad for a product completely unrelated to whatever tweet it's replying to. I find that very ironic. For years I have seen people complain about "target ads" and companies like twitter spying on everyone. Now if they are not targeted some how that is also bad... Amazing.... Though I will say I have seen a dozen HPE GreenLake ads on twitter and still have no idea what they are trying to sell me... >> instead a slow degradation of quality (ironic given that twitter is being marketed as the "#1 most accurate source of information on the internet") The top tweet under every "More Tweets" section is always a childish Musk tweet with a 420 or 69 reference in it These are not mutually exclusive... I find new twitter to be very informative and entertaining
- 8ytecoder 4y ago
  You are talking about two different types of ads. “We” hate targeted ads. “We” love context specific ads. When I search for “best EV to buy in 2023”, I’m more than happy to see a few results ads from Ford and VW. (That was the entire premise of Google when they started). But, learning that I’m interested in an EV because I messaged a friend on Instagram about it, or because I’m 35-45 years old, living in a “liberal city”, “making more than 200k”, and a “tree hugger” is what pisses people off - because that requires intense data collection about me and everything I do. “We” like relevant ads and to be specific context-specific ads.
  - ipaddr 4y ago
    Getting context specific ads from a 140 character tweet is asking for the impossible.
deleted 4y ago
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RhodesianHunter 4y ago

The point of the business is not to keep the service running but to make a profit, and by all accounts Twitter is dramatically worse off on that front.

phpisthebest 4y ago
>>and by all accounts Twitter is dramatically worse off on that front. And what accounts are those?
- mullingitover 4y ago
  I believe that would be accounts receivable.
  - what-the-grump 4y ago
    considering Elon has cut 80% and still can’t turn profit there isn’t much counting going on.
- ctvo 4y ago
  The accounts by Elon where he cut its valuation from 44 billion to 20 billion to start. Or do we think its valuation dropped more than half with record breaking profits that aren’t disclosed? We can use the accounts from advertisers and firms that have shared they no longer work with Twitter too.
  - phpisthebest 4y ago
    Valuation is not profit. He massively over paid for twitter, everyone knew that, he knew that.... Twitter was never worth that, realistic valuation before the buyout announcement was closer to 25-30 billion, and they most likely were going into poor financial results that would have tanked the value further down to probably 20 or less. >We can use the accounts from advertisers and firms that have shared they no longer work with Twitter too. Lots of virtue signalling, many have come back, and most cut their ads spend for other reasons and on all platforms but used the twitter controversy to score some political points with the ESG crowd.

zascs 4y ago

This is like saying you stopped changing your motor oil and the engine's still running.

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stubybubs 4y ago

The servers are currently active and responding to requests, yes. There have been a lot of missteps since the acquisition though, I think party due to nobody to push back on feature requests coming from the top. No "can we look at some data" or "how about an a/b test." It's just straight from the top to production. I know most here are engineers but I honestly due appreciate product people thinking about that stuff. At this point Twitter is likely way out of compliance with anything like GDPR. Users are finding that they are not actually able to fully delete their accounts. They remain there forever, but inactive. This by itself is a massive financial risk for the company. They are also being sued in at least one country for violating laws around speech. Stability is maybe a little better than a few weeks ago, but we'll see. A car can go for a long time without doing any maintenance, but if you don't change the oil eventually even the best designed and engineered one is going to have a seized engine.